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Post by allan1962 on Sept 12, 2015 16:26:35 GMT -5
Tried to find the birth or baptism of Christina Ann Gilbert who married James Casley in Victoria, Australia, in 1869. I found researchers who stated that the correct baptism is that of Christiana Jelbert on 01 Jan 1852 in Pendeen, Cornwall, residence Trewellard. Gilbert & Jelbert interchangeable?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 12, 2015 22:03:37 GMT -5
The best idea would be to try and use other resources to confirm if this is the right baptism. If you can find the death indexed in the Victorian records (or Australian Death Index) then hopefully it will name parents. Just be aware that the informant may not have known the parents or may have unknowingly given incorrect details but work on the basis initially that details are correct. Use those details and then check the 1861 Census to see if the family was still in England otherwise locate the family on passenger lists and see if parents and/or other fmaily members can be confirmed. But generally speaking you will find the names Gilbert/Gilbart/Jelbert/Jelbart/Jilbert and possibly other variations all used within the one family. This is especially more so in the older records but it did also happen through the 19th Century. The handwriting can also be very misleading and I have seen instances where the name does appear as 'Jelbert' in the register but has been transcribed as 'Gilbert or Gelbert' simply because of the way the scribe wrote his capital 'J' and 'G'. You will also see marriage records for example where the Vicar has written the name as Gilbert (or Gelbert) but then the bride or groom has signed their name as 'Jelbert'. It certainly makes life interesting!  CT |
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Post by allan1962 on Sept 13, 2015 14:03:08 GMT -5
Thank you CT. Will carry out your suggestions. Not sure if "interesting" always comes to mind in cases like this!!!!
Allan.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 13, 2015 14:37:06 GMT -5
'Interesting' can be used 'tongue-in-cheek' but on the other hand it is often interesting what else you can find, sometimes quite by accident, as a result of having to vary your search methods. CT |
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Post by allan1962 on Sept 13, 2015 15:17:17 GMT -5
Cornwall OPC gives Christiana Jelbert baptised 01 Jan 1852, Pendeen, parents William & Christiana.
Australian Death Index gives Ctina Ann Casley birth abt 1852 parents Wm Gilbert & Ctina Noy.
Cornwall OPC gives marriage of William Jelbert & Christiana Noy in St Just on 20 Sep 1845.
No joy re 1861 census in Cornwall or Passenger List for emigration.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 14, 2015 5:08:55 GMT -5
Allan - entries in the Victorian Pioneer index show that the family had arrived in Victoria by 1859 when son Charles was born at Creswick. I checked the OPC and there was found daughter Nanny baptised at Pendeen in 1854 so they left Cornwall sometime between that baptism and the birth of Charles in 1859.
There is a William Gilbert arriving in Victoria in October 1854 aboard 'Despatch' but there appears to be no other family with him. If that is the same William then Christiana and the children may have followed later although I have been unable to find them under any of the combinations of Gilbert/Jelbert that I have tried so far.
I also checked South Australian Indexes and there is no indication of any children born there but that does not rule out the possibility they may have travelled to South Australia and from there on to Victoria.
It is also possible they went to New Zealand initially and then across to Victoria and coming here via the USA is also not out of the question.
A death certificate for William or Christiana could give some details of their time in various colonies but other than that I have run short of options at the moment.
CT
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