Post by mccronecarol on Jul 9, 2015 23:29:54 GMT -5
Hi, I am Carol McCrone from New Zealand and I am researching my ancester, Christopher Tenbeth and Emma Mitchell. I have a marriage certificate of their daughter Elizabeth who married William John Taylor in NZ in 1882. I cannot find any record of her birth. Also I cannot find anymore information on Christopher or Emma. ( Elizabeth's marriage cert lists her mother as Emily (Mitchell) Tembeth and father as Christopher Tembeth. I would appreciate any information. Thanks
Christopher Tenbeth married Emma Mitchell in 1856 in Lewisham , Kent. Ref Vol 1d page 952. In the 1871 census (Class: RG10; Piece: 785; Folio: 70; Page: 3;)the family are living in Woolwich. Christopher born 1832 St Just Cornwall. And is described as a pensioner, Royal Artillery. Two of the children were born in Canada. Christopher died in 1875. Emma in 1911. Cornwall PC has the baptisms of their two youngest children Herbert and George in Penzance. The birth of Margaret Elizabeth was registered in 1860 at Elham in Kent. vol 2a page 674. Hopefully this is your Elizabeth. The marriage certificate of Christopher and Emma should help you with their fathers.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 10, 2015 4:41:10 GMT -5
Hi Carol and Welcome to Penwith Genealogy.
I have a bit of an interest in this family through the marriage of Christopher and Emma's son John Emmanuel Tenbeth to Jessie Trewhella at Penzance in 1885.
You show the surname as TeMbeth but I believe it is more generally TeNbeth and often appears as Tenberth. Because of those, and possibly other, variations it can be a little tricky locating the family in the various records. I did a little work on the family a few years back just to get a little background information about John Emmanuel and his immediate family. I don't have a great deal but at least it will be something for you to work with.
Christopher Tenbeth's baptism record suggests the family 'may' have originated from the Trembath family. I used the Census initially to try and trace Christopher and then utilized the Parish Records and everything seemed to lead me back to the Trembath family. The earliest references I can find for Tenbeth/Tembeth in the OPC records are a marriage and baptism at Redruth in 1789 and 1792. There are a few entries at St Columb Major after this but they are scattered over several decades. That supports my thoughts of Trembath origins.
Your query has prompted me to look at the family again especially as I now have many more records available than I did when I first looked at the family. I plan to recheck my findings later tonight and update my information so for the moment I will leave you with what I believe to be the baptism of Christopher Tembeth/Tenbeth.
Christopher son of Elizabeth Trembath of Kellinack baptized 27th March 1829 St Just, Cornwall
As you can see Christopher was illegitimate but I think I may have found something that might help identify his mother. More on that once I have had a chance to check the records.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 10, 2015 18:58:31 GMT -5
I am now relatively certain that Christopher Tenbeth was born and baptized as Christopher Trembath. He was buried at Penzance 7th November1875 and recorded as Trembath and a few months earlier his last child was baptized as George Henry Mitchell TREMBATH.
Unfortunately at this stage I am unable to positively identify his mother Elizabeth but she appears to have been born at St Just about 1794 or 1795 according to Census records. It also appears that she married John Hicks at St Just 18th December 1834 but was widowed before the 1841 Census when she appears at St Just with son Christopher TRIMBATH age 12.
In the 1841 Census Elizabeth was at Nanjulyan, St Just so the following is probably the burial of her husband:-
John Hicks of Nanjulian age 28 buried 28th February 1835 St Just - 'killed by a stone falling on his head in Wheal Olds Mine'
I have found the marriages and children for most of Christopher's children in Cornwall. Those I am missing are son William Christopher and daughter Margaret Elizabeth who appears to be the Elizabeth who married in New Zealand. I would be interested in seeing her marriage certificate if that is possible and would certainly like to know who witnessed that marriage.
The other thing of interest at the moment is that Elizabeth's nephew Henry Trewhella Tenbeth died in New Zealand in 1946.
Post by mccronecarol on Jul 10, 2015 22:04:30 GMT -5
Thanks very much for the prompt replies. I can sent you a copy of Elizabeth's marriage certificate but where do I sent it to ? Also I am beginning to think that Margaret Elizabeth and Elizabeth is one of the same, but I'm also confused as to why her mother is call Emily on the marriage certificate and not Emma. The marriage certificate is only a reproduced copy and doesn't show the witnesses but I will try and track down the original. Elizabeth and William John Taylor are my great grandparents. I am at present searching the immigration records to see if I can find her entering NZ and I will let you know if I come up with anything. Thanks again for everyone's contribution. Carol
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 11, 2015 4:50:53 GMT -5
I also think Margaret Elizabeth and Elizabeth are one and the same person. It is not unusual for a person to be known by a second forename and other information does give her parents as Christopher and Emma. I cannot answer your query about why Emma should have been recorded as Emily but it may be as simple as a clerical error in the records. She certainly seems to appear as Emma in every Census record I have looked at.
BTW - I have sent you a PM (Personal Message) with my email details.
Wow Margaret Elizabeth Tenbeth and John William Taylor is my second great grandparents , its awesome to have some more information on them , I had Margaret Elizabeth as Elizabeth Emma originally on my family tree and also had Emma Mitchell as Emily so maybe we had the same information there. I know this is a long shot as the conversation is a year old but i would love to compare information about our grandparents