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Post by bakerdf1 on Jan 12, 2015 5:18:15 GMT -5
William Glassom married Elizabeth Jane Andrewartha in Perranuthno in 1866. This is part of that side of my family.
He was born circ 1838 in Breage
His parents could be any of the following
1841census breage
s/o robert and jane
s/o abel and sophia
s/o william and susan most likely?
1851
census breage
s/o robert and jane
s/o william and susan
This is the closest bapt that I can find
Cornwall
Place Breage
Church St Breaca
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 17 Nov 1839
Forename William
Sex M
FatherForename William
MotherForename Susan
FatherSurname GLASSON
MotherSurname
Abode
FatherOccupation Farmer.
Notes
Help!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 7:30:35 GMT -5
William, the son of William and Susan Glasson, went to Australia when he was about 13 years of age and therefore could not have married Elizabeth Andrewartha in Perranuthnoe.
William, the son of Abel and Sophia Glasson, married Elizabeth Mitchell in 1860 and their daughter Elizabeth Mary Glasson was born the same year. Elizabeth the wife died of Phthisis in July 1861 and eventually William and his daughter went to Australia with mother Sophia and other members of the family. In Australia William's daughter Elizabeth Mary married George Holman in 1881 at Kadina, SA.
I am fairly convinced that William, son of Robert and Jane (Jenepher) Glasson married Elizabeth Andrewartha.
Di, I think it would be useful to work back from what you know. Are you sure you are looking at the correct William? Can you tell me what ancestors of this William do you have?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 9:42:52 GMT -5
Just a further bit of background information for you...
Rev. William Jnr GLASSON
Sex: M
Birth: 22 Oct 1839 in "Trevena" Farm Breage Cornwall England
Christening: 17 Nov 1839 Breage, Cornwall
Death: 1923 in Chatswood
1841 Census
Living at "Trevena" Breage
William Glasson age 30-35 male Occupation Farmer
Susan Glasson Aged 25-30 Female
Richard Glasson age 3 Male
William Glasson age 1 Male
1851 Census: -
Living at "Trevena' Breage are: -
William Glasson Head Married male aged 39 Farmer of 60 acres, 4 Labs
Susan Glasson Wife Married female age 39 farmer's wife
Richard Glasson Son male aged 13 Scholar
William Glasson
Susan R Glasson Daughter female aged 9 Scholar
Robert Glasson son male aged 7 scholar
James R Glasson son male aged 5 scholar
John Glasson son male aged 3 scholar
Mary A Glasson Daughter female 11 months at home
NSW Marriage Certificate 1940/1876 District Bathurst (copy not sighted)
NSW Death Certificate 6740/1923 District Manly (copy not sighted)
Extract from the Glasson Saga: -
William was born 22 Oct 1839 and was about 13 years old when he arrived in NSW with his parents.
William Jnr was a prolific writer and the descendants of Richard and Susan have much to thank him for. Not only did he write a book on his parents, he wrote a 61 page document called "A brief account of my personal recollections." William vividly describes his early childhood in Cornwall and his voyage to Australia in the 'Royal Stuart'.
He was christened in the Church of England Church at Breage. Although official Wesleyan the custom was to be baptized and buried according to the rites of the Church of England. William had a remarkable memory and a great gift for observation.
"I recollect having two personal encounters at school or on my way to school with another boy. His name was David. We had nothing to quarrel about, but our older companions though we ought to fight, nethertheless, so we did. Here was not much difference, if any, in our sizes. David got the better of me in the first contest by giving me a terrible blow in the lower part of my stomach. The same parties arranged a return conflict. The day and place were appointed. I even made it a matter of prayer that I should defeat my opponent. I think I made it with the promise never to fight again. Well! I conquered and I believe without giving a single blow below the belt. I have kept my promise, since then I have never allowed anyone to persuade me to take in a hand to hand conflict."
He describes Christmas at Cornwall. "The keeping up of Christmas by the large burning log in the fireplace with cake and a drink of small beer or cider, and the singing of carols onChristmas Eve and a substantial feast on Christmas day I have never forgotten.
He remembered parish feasts, Sunday School, visits to his grandparents, Tremearne and Sithney Green, the fishing boats in the afternoon and early morning streaming into Portleven Harbour.
William describes vividly the excitement of leaving for Australia. He had never been to sea apart from the half mile between Marazion Village and St Michaels Mount.
The first glimpse of the ship 'Royal Stuart' with lights on, when they were being rowed out to her, he has never forgotten. The whole trip we can imagine was a wonderful adventure for a boy his age. The fact that they we all very seasick for the first few days did not spoil the pleasure of it all.
They sighted the east coast of Australia at one o'clock on 3rd Feb, entered Port Jackson at dusk.
"I shall never forget the beautiful scenery looked on by my eldest brother Richard and myself from the ship's first deck the first thing next morning, consisting of headland and bay enclosing the harbour, the bushy hill intersecting with green openings, ornamental trees and homesteads on the north side and the massed houses of the city itself on the south. Amongst these at least two windmills were prominent. It was like heaven to us."
William looked after the first farm with Richard. The rented farm was one of about 12 others within the radius of about a mile so they were not deprived of neighbours. There was no school and Sunday to William seemed the most tiresome day of the week. They were often not able to attend chapel and there was nothing to do.
We of course, had a good share of outdoor exercise, but it was not in cricket or croquet or tennis or anything of that kind. I do not think I play a game of marbles for years after we came to Australia.
We had cousins at Guyong Farm (Godplphin) and Bookanan and other boy acquaintances but we never played anything with them or they with us. Such things were not thought of. I can hardly say why but we were not down hearted.?
When we finished our day's work, Richard, who had a great natural talent for music found diversion by playing his clarionet or flute or concertina.
The boys formed parties for possum shooting on moonlit nights, and on winter nights kept up their gun practice by firing at a short piece of alighted candle on the fence about 40 yards distant from the door of their house and fired with the aim of snuffing it out.
Later a debating team was formed. About this time William began to show a great love of reading and learning. Besides reading books of his own he borrowed a great many from his Aunt Emma at Godolphin. His reading was wide and varied. Homers Iliad, The Citizen of the World, various biographies of which the Life of the Duke of Wellington was included. He studied Latin reading well into the night.
When the family moved to Willow Cottage, the principle work that the boys had to attend to was the renovation of two old stations at 'The Stone Hut' and also look after the rationing for the shepherds. These places were 16 miles from willow Cottage.
When William and his family moved to Holwood life was easier for everyone. William Jnr begins to mention some of the minsters who had services at Holwood house and who stayed with them - Rev T Ungwin in 1860 and Rev William Clark 1861-3 were two. We see a trend that was to be William's life work. He went on the circuit plan on tail and took some church services.
But by keeping up my studies all the time, while I did the same manual work as the others, my health gave way and I had to discontinue preaching and studies for some years. At that time he was trying to master the Greek language as well.
William's speciality at home was forming and building sheep stations, constructing or reconstructing sheds, erecting or replacing fences and also looking for possible extensions to sheep runs.
William's father gave him a flock of 800 merino ewes. He and Richard formed a partnership and when Robert Hawke left the cottage on Holwood which he rented the boys went to live there.
They had high hopes of doing well however a heavy fall of snow killed a number of shorn sheep, then a wet spring and fluke resulted in poor lambing so that for the next two years the result was negative. When Richard went to New Zealand for a holiday for health reasons, William with a servant and his wife was alone.
Later he and Robert went to New England in charge of sheep and again William mentions his readings. Hallam's constitution History of England is included in the list. When they returned Williams secured 2000 acres of government leasehold near Canowindra. Although he had two flocks of sheep he did not use this land because of opposition shown by adjacent landowner who recompensed me for the expense I had been put to.
On the lapse of the partnership with Richard, William rented a property near Calooa and went there to live. This venture was at the time of the Franco Prussian War when many landowners failed. After the three following wet season William left there no better off than when he went there.
Next he rented an area of freehold land at Brisbane Valley between Rockley and Oberon. He took the sheep he had left with an additional 800 ewes he purchased. After being there for six months he decided that the run was unsuitable for sheep, the loses were so heavy that he took them away and had his leasehold cancelled. William's brother Russell joined him in a partnership with them, taking charge and the management of them.
The diseased sheep, about 1,500 were taken to Holwood and there William killed them and skinned them selling the skins in Bathurst.
While at Calooa, William with improved health started preaching again. In connection with the heavy loss, so much the result of circumstance over which I had no control, having before made preparations in view of entering the ministry, I felt that God by his providence was directing me to that work. I consequently offered myself as a candidate, was recommended by the Bathurst Quarterly Meeting and was received by Conference.
William began his life as a minister by filling in for his brother-in-law, Rev William Hill at Parramatta while he was away at Conference.
His first appointment was at Oberon for 2 years, this circuit was later divided into three. Them Bombala for a short time.
30 March 1876 William was married in the Wesleyan Church , Rev W Kelyneck and R Caldwell officiating. William and his wife spent a week with his sister Mary and her husband (Mr and Mrs Lane).
After having bought furniture they set out for their next appointment, Lower Clarence, now called McClean. They sailed in the stem boat 'New England' for Rocky Mouth, Maclean.
William was a pioneer minister, his circuit was very large. He rode long distances through swamps and rough country. However they were happy in his circuit and William did much to improve church buildings and so on.
During their first year daughter Eveline was born. A second daughter Elise was born before they left the circuit.
In 1879 Rev William and his family moved to Rockley and during their time there a son Willie was born. He was born at Bathurst at the residence of William brother in law Mr Alfred Stranger.
From Rockley they went to Shoalhaven where another daughter Gertrude was born. It was while they were here that William's mother Susan came to visit. She stayed on for a month or so after William Snr left. It was one of Susan's rare trips away from home.
William went to Yass, Armidale, Wollongong during the next few years. His health suffered so on advice from friends, especially his brother Richard he decided to take a trip aboard. A house was rented for his family in Wollongong and he went to England.
Soon after his return his son Willie died 31st March 1893 aged about 14 years.
The next appointment was Blaney which they all enjoyed, then Windsor, Forbes. After this William asked for a superannuation which was granted. This brought his active ministerial work to a close.
The family retired to "Trevarnoe" within three miles of Parramatta and one an three quarter miles from Merrylands. They lived here for 8 years. However William found the distance from the station and the garden too much.
It was here that their eldest daughter Eveline died.
After renting a house at Drummoyne, William bought a house at Gordon which he called Sithney after his mother's birthplace in Cornwall.
William's recollections end with the following "Whether this home will see the end of my earthly pilgrimage will I trust, be ordered by God's unerring providence. In any case, I look forward to that change which will gather all of the members of our family once again and forever together with Christ our Lord, the place prepared by him for all of us"
William died about 1916 aged 77 years.
The two daughters Gertrude and Elsie did not marry.
Father: William GLASSON b: BEF 23 Jun 1811 in "Trevena" Farm Breage Cornwall England
Mother: Susan RUSSELL b: 23 Nov 1811
Marriage 1 Elizabeth Barbara SRANGER OR STARK
Married: 30 Mar 1876 in Wesleyan Methodist Church Bathurst
Children:
Sophia Eveline GLASSON b: 1877 in Maclean
Alethea Mabel (known as Elsie) GLASSON b: 1879 in Maclean
William Hanger (known as Willie) GLASSON b: 1881 in Bathurst NSW
Susan Gertrude (known as Getrude) GLASSON b: 1883 in Shoalhaven NSW
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Saturday 16 June 1923
GLASSON. - June 15th. 1923, at his residence, Sithney, Mackintosh street, Gordon, the Rev. William Glasson, dearly loved husband of Elizabeth Barbara, and beloved father of Elsie and Gertrude Glasson.
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Post by bakerdf1 on Jan 12, 2015 19:02:46 GMT -5
Thanks for that, I checked out all the NSW Glassons, but not a direct line sadly/
The info I have on the Glasson/Andrewartha's is
530. ELIZABETH JANE ANDREWARTHA - Gender: Female Christening: 27 NOV 1840 Breage, Cornwall, England
marr - 29-Nov 1866 Perranuthnoe William GLASSON Elizabeth ANDREWARTHA
Marriages Dec 1866
Andrewartha Elizabeth Penzance 5c 498 -
Bowden William Penzance 5c 498
GLASSON William Penzance 5c 498
TREGLOWN Emma Penzance 5c 498
1871
Piece: RG10/2307 Place: Breage -Cornwall Enumeration District: 1Civil Parish: Breage Ecclesiastical Parish: GodolphinFolio: 10 Page: 12 Schedule: 62
Address: Trescowe Common
GLASSON William Head M M 33 Miner Cornwall - Breage
GLASSON Elizebeth Wife M F 30 Miners Wife Cornwall - Peranuthnoe
GLASSON William Son U M 3 Cornwall - Breage
GLASSON John A Son U M 2 Cornwall - Breage
GLASSON Elizebeth Dau - F 1 Cornwall - Breage
The family was still there on the 1901 census
I have got all the information from Aa dedicated researchers on the marriage, and Elizabeths family, but I can't find a sure parentage for William other than he was born in Breage at about 1838.
I don't have a Robert and Jenefer in my notes, Do you mean robert and jane clemow? I will have to go back further than that or william 1838 will still not be able to be slotted in anywhere.
Now to Abel.
From SA records I have most of the details of Abel and Sophia in SA. Sophia died 1912 aged 90 b. c 1822. Abel died 1911 aged 70. b c . 1841
Anywhere I can find details of Abels family to be able to slot him in too?
From Peters cornwall genealogy he was born 3 june 1818 s/o thomas 1789 and jane. The only spare unattatched thomas that I have was born 1791 in crowan s/o john and margaret richards. About the right age though.
The Abel who died in 1911 must be the s/o Sophia nee james who died in 1822.
This Glasson research is taking over my life, just like the Nankivell and Trewartha/Andrewartha ones did a few years back.
PS iI have all the digger discs for SA and Victoria if you need a lookup at any time. Darn things cost me thousands, too bad digger didn't support them for Win8.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 12, 2015 23:24:12 GMT -5
I agree! In the marriage record William Glasson did not name his father but he did state that he was 'dead' and Robert Glasson of Trescowe was buried at Breage 27th July 1859 age 58.
William was of Trescowe, Godolphin (part of Breage) at the time of marriage and was also still there in 1871. Going back to the 1861 Census and you will find William at Godolphin Downs. In Ancestry the surname has been transcribed as GLOSSON:-
1861 Census
Parish of Breage, Ecclesiastical District of Godolphin
Godolphin Downs (next to Trescowe Common)
Jenepher GLASSON, head, widow, 55, widow of a tin miner, Breage
WILLIAM ditto, son, unmarried, 23, tin miner, Breage
Edward ditto, son, unmarried, 21, tin miner, Breage
Charles ditto, son, unmarried, 18, tin miner, Breage
Jenepher ditto, daughter, unmarried, 28, works in a tin mine, Breage
Sally ditto, daughter, unmarried, 15, house maid, Breage
Robert Glasson was baptized at Breage 30th June 1800 son of Edward and Eleanor (nee Eustice). He married Jennifer TAYLOR at Breage 14th January 1830 and had nine children of whom William was the fifth.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 2:52:50 GMT -5
Yes you have picked the correct Abel Glasson, born in 1818 to Thomas Glasson and Jane Goldsworthy, the name Abel coming from his grandfather Abel Goldsworthy. Abel senior died in 1866 in Cornwall. This Thomas Glasson was the son of John Glasson and Margaret Richards.
But Sophia Glasson nee James his wife went to South Australia with some of her children where she died at the Wallaroo Mines in 1912 and buried at Kadina - one year after her son Abel was buried there. Referring back to another son William previously mentioned, he married a second time in Cornwall to Susan Pope in 1862 and she died the following year of the cursed phthisis. So William went to Australia and in 1868 he married Elizabeth Grace Curnow in South Australia and this couple had eight children. Another son of Sophia's, John Glasson, married Marion Fulcher in 1884 in Kadina and this couple had 6 children. So you can see that this family contributed significantly to the Glassons of South Australia.
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