Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 2, 2015 0:37:21 GMT -5
Peternell (1827-?) She often went by "Pee".
This is a little strange and I meant to add a comment about 'Pee' some time ago. And in light of Zibetha's comments about Jennifer/Jane I think it might be wise to review what you know about the children of John Richards.
'Pee' is most commonly found as an alternate name for MARGARET!
I see that you have Margaret buried in 1844 so perhaps she and Jenifer (at least) should be studied again.
AHA! - just looked at the 1841 Census entry for the family and I see that Margaret is 'Peggy' and Peternel/Penelope is certainly recorded as 'Pee'. But it would still be worth checking Margaret again as she could appear later as 'Peggy'.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 2, 2015 0:58:13 GMT -5
Zibetha is right - the Jenifer Richards who married Francis Perry at Lelant is the daughter of John and Hannah. She appeared in the 1841 Census with the family recorded as Jane and in the marriage record dated 4th April 1844 she is age 19 and daughter of John Richards, solider. The witnesses were her sister Ann Richards along with Thomas Richards who I think was parish clerk around that time. Thomas certainly witnessed several subsequent marriages at Lelant.
So the Jennifer, infant, who was buried at Crowan in 1828 belongs to another family. I have not found a baptism for her but as she was 'infant' it is possible she died before being baptised.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 2, 2015 5:37:11 GMT -5
Zib - regading Jenifer Richards who certainly married Francis Perry.
I have one unverified source that states Jenifer Perry died at Houghton, California 19th March 1853. I cannot find any Houghton in California and I can find no death record to match in California or in Michigan where I know there is a Houghton.
Another unverified source states that on the same date as above Jenifer Perry died in Houghton, South Australia. Now there is a Houghton in Sough Australia (in the Adelaide Hills) but there is no such death recorded in the SA Indexes either.
Records for that period in California and to a certain extent in Michigan are not easy to acquire but do you have any information or other ideas that might help confirm this one way or another??
Francis did marry Elizabeth Richards in December 1853 and she was the daughter of William Richards and Sarah Uren. Francis and Elizabeth both died at Majorca, Victoria in 1900 and 1906 respectively. (Unlike Craigie, NSW which one source has for Elizabeth!!!)
You are right....I didn't have a record of her when I wrote the first question. She did appear to marry Francis Perry and is with him in Houghton, Michigan in 1850. The fact that he married again in Cornwall in 1853 means that she must've died shortly after the 1850 census. Michigan in 1850 was incredibly rugged. This would've been a great undertaking for any person, let alone a family with young children! Several online trees I've seen say that Francis took his family to Australia after his second marriage.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 2, 2015 7:54:38 GMT -5
Several online trees I've seen say that Francis took his family to Australia after his second marriage.
Yes, there were at least two children born in Victoria to Francis and his second wife with possibly another two later on. Well, that is not 'exactly' correct - the first of those two children was actually born at sea and died soon after but the birth and death were registered in Victoria obviously soon after arrival.
Genevor Deborah Perry born 'at sea' 1855 Jenifer Deborah Perry died 'at sea' 1855
Francis John Perry born 1856 Daisy Hill Victoria
Another two children born to parents Francis Perry and Elizabeth Richards were born in Victoria in 1872 and 1874 but at this stage I cannot guarantee it is the same family. 16 years is rather a long gap between children!
Francis Perry died at Majorca 2nd September 1900 age 78 Elizabeth Perry died at Majorca 3rd November 1906 age 75 (parents indexed as William Richards and Sarah) (One of the trees on Ancestry has a photo of the gravestone showing the details for both Francis and Elizabeth yet that same tree shows that Elizabeth died at Craigie, NSW in 1906!)
There was an Elizabeth Perry died at Craigie in 1906 with parents recorded as John and Elizabeth but obviously not the same person.
Thanks everyone for the discussion. CT, I've seen "Pee" recorded twice... once on the 1841 census and once on the death certificate of her mother, Hannah Richards in 1862 (sister Margaret "Peggy" was dead by then). I've also seen her as Peternel, Pennella, and Penelope so I have no idea what her christened name really was! And, she seems to have completely disappeared by 1881 as her son is living with his aunt by this time. I found no burial or marriage for anyone who might be her. I have a hard time believing that she would emigrate without taking him along, but then again...who knows. She could've also moved elsewhere in Britain and taken a job as a domestic or something too.
And as long as we're on this family... I have the son John as marrying Susanna Stevens. I'm not 100% sure that the John who married Susanna is the same son of John and Hannah Richards. John and Susanna are practically next door to John and Hannah on the 1841 census, but this proves nothing. His marriage lists his father as John, but also says they're both blacksmiths...and I have no record of John Sr. being a blacksmith unless this is simply an error. Any thoughts on this?
Finally... there was an online tree that listed Jennifer Richards Perry's death as Mar 19, 1853 in Houghton, CA. I'm not sure about the date as Michigan records don't go back this far (unless this came from a family bible or something)...but I'm 100% sure that they were in Michigan and not California. Houghton, Michigan had a mining explosion starting in the 1840's with the discovery of copper in that area.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 2, 2015 13:49:49 GMT -5
I should think the John Richards who married Susanna Stevens was from a different family and, as is far from unusual, I suspect his age in the 1851 Census was not quite accurate. After looking at the CFHS Index for Lelant baptisms I would suggest this John was probably baptised 13th October 1816 at Lelant to John Richards, blacksmith, and his wife Mary. There were also four John Richards baptised at Lelant between 1816 and 1822 whereas your John was baptised at Crowan. And three of those Johns at Lelant were the sons of three different John Richards!!
John does not appear with his parents and siblings in the 1841 Census so it is possible he may have died prior to then. Of course he may have married or he may have been elsewhere but there is a burial at Lelant 4th November 1840 for a John Richards of Boskerris age 20. John was baptised in January 1821 so there is a possibility this may have been him. Of the four John Richards baptised at Lelant 1816-1822 there are two in December 1821. If they were born soon before baptism then they both would have been only 19 at the time of that burial.
Re Houghton - my suspicion is that Jenifer is more likely to have died in Houghton, Michigan especially as there is no record of a death in South Australia there appears to be no Houghton California and, importantly, Francis and Jenifer were at Houghton in the 1850 Census.
Hey Sue... I agree that it's Peternel when she was baptized. This baptism is the only time I've seen this name used. On the birth record of her son, she gives her name as Penelope. It would've been nice if I had seen the same name documented twice!
I have had no luck finding a death record for Jennifer, either. They would not have been required by the state at that time, so there was probably only a (long gone?) church record. I did try looking for Jennifer/Jane Perry/Parry's on Michigan Gen Web's cemetery listings (mfhn.com/Houghton) with no luck. Nor did anything show up in any of the Houghton County cemetery listings on Find-a-Grave. Not all of the local cemeteries have been fully "read" so something could turn up in the future.