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Post by tenpoundpom on Aug 17, 2014 4:53:23 GMT -5
This is my next quest to sort out the progeny of John Trewhella and Nancy Jelbart. I did take a brief look a year or so ago, but need some help with a few more obstacles. So, to set the foundations.. (much of this covered in posts on the board in the past)
Christopher Trewhella (1834 - 1880) marries Elizabeth Kearney (abt 1840 - 1925) in 1860 in Victoria. Christopher had a child in England with Emily Cornish before he took a trip on the "Monsoon"
Christopher and Elizabeth have 11 children and the obstacles relate to what happened to the children!
William (abt 1860), Elizabeth (abt 1862) and Christopher (abt 1874) all die young
Sophia (1864 - 1946) Marries Ernest Edward Shuttleworth, and later Walter Brooks. Children - I suspect at least 2 but not persued as yet
Charles Henry (1867 - 1917) Marries Alice Horrell. 8 children found
John (1870 - abt 1912) Marries Annie Brown. 5 children found
James Trewhella (1880 - 1929)Marries Isabel Halbert. At least 2 children
Eliza (1872 - 1918) - Not married
Some are in Victoria and some around Kalgoorlie
I'm happy with those findings...but here are my problem children!
Anna Jane Trewhella (1863 - ?) Found 1903 in Brazier street, Bendigo. ?maybe death in 1921 (Ann Trewhella, age 59, parents unknown)
Elizabeth (1866 - ?). I think I find her in 1924 at Brazier St. I'm not sure if that is correct, and I cannot find her after that..whether she had a late marriage, moved interstate, went by Bessie, or Liz or some other variant I've not examined
William Thomas Trewhella (1878 - 1927) aka Bill "Burly" Trewhella, captain of the 1908 West Australian Football team. I've found 8 children, and that his wife had a first name May, and born around 1884. The evidence seems to support that her last name was Edgar, but I have not found definite proof. The marriage index on Ancestry has a date of marriage for 1907 but no name of spouse.
So..putting my hand up for some help, both with the problem children and those I'm "happy" with, in case I've made a boo-boo or two!
Simon
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 17, 2014 9:31:36 GMT -5
Hi Simon - seems you do need help don't you!  Anna Jane Trewhella married Robert John Dowsey in Victoria in 1885. She was buried at Eaglehawk 20th November 1950 age 87 - Interment No. 011642 Grave No. 231. Robert John Dowsey was buried at Eaglehawk 5th April 1914 age 50 - Interment No. 008317 Grave No. 230. There were four children from the marriage. Elizabeth died at White Hills in 1866. He married May Greer at Boulder, WA 30th June 1907. I only have seven children for William and May so will have to do some checking to make sure I have not missed something. I will go over your post again tomorrow and answer other questions or add comments and additions. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 17, 2014 18:02:31 GMT -5
I cannot locate my Electoral Roll information at the moment so not sure about the Brazier Street entries. However I can help with the 1921 death.
Anne Trewhella age 59 died at Bendigo and was buried in Bendigo Cemetery 17th October 1921. She was born Anne Hocking Thomas about 1861 and was the daughter of Nicholas Hocking Thomas and Mary Ann Williams Harvey who married at Pendeen, Cornwall 24th August 1861.
Matthew Trewhella and Anne Hocking Thomas were married at Long Gully 25th December 1882.
This is a different family to Christopher and Elizabeth but is still related. Matthew Trewhella was born at Phillack in 1852 son of John Trewhella and Jane Chinn and he was the grandson of Matthew Trewhella and Martha Daniel.
I have already mentioned that Elizabeth died soon after birth in 1866. The Elizabeth at Brazier Street in 1924 is more likely to have been Elizabeth (nee Kearney) widow of Christopher. She died the following year and was buried at Eaglehawk 22nd July 1925.
CT
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Post by tenpoundpom on Aug 18, 2014 3:27:16 GMT -5
I cannot locate my Electoral Roll information at the moment so not sure about the Brazier Street entries. However I can help with the 1921 death. Anne Trewhella age 59 died at Bendigo and was buried in Bendigo Cemetery 17th October 1921. She was born Anne Hocking Thomas about 1861 and was the daughter of Nicholas Hocking Thomas and Mary Ann Williams Harvey who married at Pendeen, Cornwall 24th August 1861. Matthew Trewhella and Anne Hocking Thomas were married at Long Gully 25th December 1882. This is a different family to Christopher and Elizabeth but is still related. Matthew Trewhella was born at Phillack in 1852 son of John Trewhella and Jane Chinn and he was the grandson of Matthew Trewhella and Martha Daniel. I have already mentioned that Elizabeth died soon after birth in 1866. The Elizabeth at Brazier Street in 1924 is more likely to have been Elizabeth (nee Kearney) widow of Christopher. She died the following year and was buried at Eaglehawk 22nd July 1925. CT I deserve a bit of a head slap for Elizabeth. Of course it is Elizabeth the mother, and not the Elizabeth the long departed sister of Eliza in the 1924 roll. One thing which threw me of the scent was that there was a change of occupation from home duties to nurse between 1909 to 1914, and she remains described as a nurse in the 1924 roll, when she would have been about 84! I hadn't found the death record for Elizabeth the sister so assumed she was still alive. Anyway thanks for clearing my confusion on that one. In regards to Anna Jane, I had seen that marriage to John Robert Dowsey, but there were a few niggles. In the marriage index she is recorded as Annie Jane, and not Anna Jane. On the death index Annie Jane Dowsey's father is recorded as Harry Trewhella, not Christopher. Really those are just minor discrepancies easily explained by Anna becoming known as Annie, and no-one having the faintest idea the father's name 80 years after his death. The major niggle was in the Electoral rolls. In 1903 there are the following persons of interest - John Robert Dowsey, Brazier St; Annie Jane Dowsey, Haggar St; Anna Trewhella, Brazier St. In 1909 I cannot find Anna, but John Robert is recorded in Brazier St and Annie Jane in Haggar St. George Henry Dowsey, presumably a child of John Robert who has reached age is recorded in Brazier St. After John's death - Annie Jane moves from Haggar St to Brazier St and is found there in the electoral roll untill 1949. At times from Violet Agnes Dowsey, Joseph Dowsey, and Nancy Irene Dowsey are also found in Brazier st. So if Annie Jane Dowsey (Haggar st 1903) is Anna Jane Trewhella, who is the Anna Trewhella (Brazier st 1903)? Maybe it's the same person and she just wanted to vote twice!! On the maps Haggar st and Brazier st look to be in continuity, with High st running across them for naming purposes. For William Thomas Trewhella Thanks for supplying May's correct surname. Around various funeral, memorial notes it was getting difficult to separate Edgars, Greers and Robertsons correctly! For William and May's children I presume you have recorded - Dorothy, Ivy, Sylvia, William, Hellen (Nellie), Margaret & Walter - There is one more, and a little hard to find! Let me know if you want the details. Thanks again for your help Simon |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 18, 2014 4:37:30 GMT -5
Simon - after reading your latest I can concede that Annie Jane Trewhella at Haggar St and Anna Trewhella at Brazier Street might be the same person but without going into an in-depth check of all my old records I cannot be sure.  The thing you need to be aware of with Electoral Rolls is that there are two types - Federal and State - and they are/were not produced every year. You also need to be aware that as a result of this any changes would not be immediate and the timing of any change being submitted might also result in that change not being implemented for another three years! You can find many people still recorded on Electoral Rolls several years after they have died!  One further point - because of the above you can often find a person recorded in the Electoral Rolls at two different addresses. The key word here is index - indexes are usually created from an original source and therefore reliant upon the indexer's interpretation of what he/she is reading so Anna and Annie could be misinterpreted. The four Dowsey children I know of are George Henry (1886-1919), Lylia (1888-1922), Lena (1890-1898) and Myrtle (1893-). Violet Agnes Dowsey (nee Goodridge) was the wife of George Henry - married 1913 Victoria. Nancy Irene - depending on when she appears in the Electoral Rolls there was a Nancy Iren Dowsey born in 1906 at Eaglehawk to George Dowsey and Bessie Ann Jilbert. Not sure who they are. Joseph - don't know about him except that there was a Joseph Dowsey married in Victoria in 1869. The children I have are:- Dorothy Elizabeth born 1909 Boulder Ivy May born 1910 Boulder Sylvia Merle born 1912 Boulder Christopher William born 1915 Boulder Ellen Audrey born 1918 Fremantle Margaret Joan born 1921 Boulder Walter Henry born 1923 Boulder I had been in contact with members of this family back in the 1980s and there was never any mention of an eighth child so if you have another then yes, please let me know what details you have.  CT |
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Post by tenpoundpom on Aug 18, 2014 5:28:27 GMT -5
Dorothy Elizabeth born 1909 Boulder Ivy May born 1910 Boulder Sylvia Merle born 1912 Boulder Christopher William born 1915 Boulder Ellen Audrey born 1918 Fremantle Margaret Joan born 1921 Boulder Walter Henry born 1923 Boulder I had been in contact with members of this family back in the 1980s and there was never any mention of an eighth child so if you have another then yes, please let me know what details you have. CT FUNERAL NOTICES. The Friends of Mr. and Mrs. TRE WELLA are respectfully informed that the remains of their late son (John Hicks) will be removed from their residence, next Launceston Hotel, at 3 o'clock This Day (Mon day, May 25th), for interment in the Methodist portion of the Boul der Cemetery. J. H. Greenwood, Undertaker, Burt-street. The Members of the MINES ROV ERS FOOTBALL CLUB are re quested to follow the remains of the late son of Captain WILLIAM TREWHELLA. The funeral will leave his late residence at 3 o'clock to-day, for Boulder Ceme tery. Funeral notice Kalgoorlie Miner 25 May 1908 Given that this was the first born child, and the lad died as a baby it's not surprising its not part of the family lore! The original image can be found on Trove Simon |
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Post by spikeharwood on Aug 18, 2014 7:21:25 GMT -5
Looking and learning...how other people conduct their research. (Sorry to intrude on the thread).
I happened to be looking at WABMD two nights ago and thought I'd see what info I could find about W Trewhella and family.
I failed miserably. I would have gone with him marrying May Hicks in 1907. I couldn't find a May Greer.
And now we have the first born named Joe Hicks??
Could May have been a widow when she married WT?
I have my dunces cap ready to put on.
Spike
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 18, 2014 7:35:02 GMT -5
Spke - you just beat me to the punch! Simon - I was about to post something that I somehow missed/neglected earlier. May GREER was previously married to Alfred HICKS in Victoria in 1903 so hence she was May HICKS when she married William Trewhella. (I apologise to Spike for causing that slight twist in his brain.  There was one son born in Victoria to Alfred and May Hicks - Alfred Hicks was born and died at St Arnaud in 1905. Now then Simon, after reading the information you have provided there is some thinking to be done. First thing I will need to do is to see if I can find any record of a birth of John Hicks Trewhella because there is another twist involved. My initial thoughts were that John Hicks might have been a son from May's previous marriage but after checking my records again I see that I have Alfred Hicks dying at St Arnaud in 1904 which indicates that son Alfred was a posthumous birth. Alfred was just 24 so there seems little doubt he was May's husband but I do need to check and make sure there is no other possible Alfred Hicks lurking in the shadows. Can't do this immediately as I have other things that need to be done but as soon as I get the chance I will check the Vic and WA records again and see what I can find. CT |
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Post by tenpoundpom on Aug 18, 2014 8:17:00 GMT -5
Spke - you just beat me to the punch! Simon - I was about to post something that I somehow missed/neglected earlier. May GREER was previously married to Alfred HICKS in Victoria in 1903 so hence she was May HICKS when she married William Trewhella. (I apologise to Spike for causing that slight twist in his brain. There was one son born in Victoria to Alfred and May Hicks - Alfred Hicks was born and died at St Arnaud in 1905. Now then Simon, after reading the information you have provided there is some thinking to be done. First thing I will need to do is to see if I can find any record of a birth of John Hicks Trewhella because there is another twist involved. My initial thoughts were that John Hicks might have been a son from May's previous marriage but after checking my records again I see that I have Alfred Hicks dying at St Arnaud in 1904 which indicates that son Alfred was a posthumous birth. Alfred was just 24 so there seems little doubt he was May's husband but I do need to check and make sure there is no other possible Alfred Hicks lurking in the shadows. Can't do this immediately as I have other things that need to be done but as soon as I get the chance I will check the Vic and WA records again and see what I can find. CT Jno Hicks, born 1903. Father Alfd Hicks Mother Greer May - Reg 13817 (Victorian BMD) So...grins sheepishly..remove one child from list of those of William & May...add one to Alfred Hicks and May Greer Thanks CT & Spike Who knows what havoc I'll create when I go onto examine the rest of John Trewhella's and Nancy Jelbart's offspring Simon |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 18, 2014 15:08:38 GMT -5
Havoc can be good sometimes! It keeps us on our toes and, as in this case, makes us look a little closer and find the right answers. CT |
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Post by christine on Mar 15, 2017 2:04:26 GMT -5
OK this is my first go at this. I am the grand daughter of Dorothy Trewhella, decedents of Christopher Trewhella and Elizabeth Kearney.
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Post by tenpoundpom on Mar 15, 2017 2:27:04 GMT -5
OK this is my first go at this. I am the grand daughter of Dorothy Trewhella, decedents of Christopher Trewhella and Elizabeth Kearney. Welcome on board. Would that be the Dorothy Trewhella (a 4th cousin to me) who married Charles Peters? Simon |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 15, 2017 5:09:02 GMT -5
Hello Christine and Welcome to Penwith Genealogy. If you are a descendant of Christopher Trewhella and Elizabeth Kearney then you will also be a distant cousin of mine. Although no baptism for him has ever been found I believe Christopher's father John Trewhella was a brother to my 3xgt-grandfather William.  I will look forward to discussing the family with you soon. CT |
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Post by christine on Mar 22, 2017 19:21:04 GMT -5
Hello Simon
Yes Charles Peters (Charleston Charlie) is my grandfather. My father is Edgar William Peters (dec) who has three brothers - Ross (dec) Mervin and Donald.
Christine
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