I am a descendant of the 'much older brother' John Charles Dawe. I'm interested in the other brothers because John Charles had only one son who died young so his line doesn't continue with the Dawe name.
I wondered if this might be your arrival record for Henry? Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923 Name: Henry Dawe Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Age: 22 Arrival Date: 15 Apr 1879 Arrival Port: Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney, Australia Departure Port: London Ship: Chimborazo Nationality: English
Post by spikeharwood on Oct 9, 2014 23:00:31 GMT -5
Hi jking, Many thanks for replying to the thread. I think that could well be Henry - I haven't had a better offer - and the age fits. I've found the scan of the original crew/passenger list on Anc. Another site has incorrectly transcribed him as "Dewe", makes things difficult! So we have Henry's arrival in 1879. JC arrived on the Landsborough back in 1865. All I need is Frederick who was still in Cornwall for the 1881 Census but was married here in 1889. I originally thought that the younger boys may have come out here together as they both ended up in Broken Hill. I have a group photo of BH Miners which includes both of them. They and their descendants lost track of John. But he seems well documented on the internet, managing a silver mine and doing quite well for himself. And although he did daughter out he seems to have left many descendants. I haven't as yet done much research on Henry's line but I met Frederick's granddaughter, "Jan" last year. She has a brother Dawe here and another in NZ. I can feel another lunch coming on to give her the latest news. There is also "Jim" in Canberra, who although not a Dawe is very interested in their history. He is related through Frederick's wife, Janet McIntosh - the three of us are descended from three McIntosh sisters. Let me know if I can help with any info. Spike (ps I assume you know jacksy)
I have quite a bit of information about John Charles in my public tree on Ancestry (Cooper and Killen Family), and as you say there are various mentions in newspapers on Trove. My great grandmother was Clara who married James Edward Killen in 1903.
John Charles and Elizabeth Ann nee Hammill eventually settled in Armidale where their daughters married. You might be interested to know that Amelia married a James Daw (no relation) but their children used Dawe so some of the family in Armidale are descended from her.
I wonder if Frederick and Henry did lose track of John - they might have corresponded with him in Armidale? I will certainly keep an eye out for them at weddings and funerals as I do more research. Amelia's first wedding was in Nymagee so that will be one to check on :-)
I haven't been researching this family for very long, but I will be going to a reunion of some Killen cousins in a few weeks, so I hope to make more contacts then.
Great to find this information here, many thanks for sharing,
Post by spikeharwood on Oct 10, 2014 16:29:16 GMT -5
Hi Judy, Did a quick search for Henry and Eliza's children last night (Henry's middle name was "Rule" btw). This gives a bit of a start...
Elsie Mary b 1887 Nymagee, d 1943 Sydney, m Albert Christian Sparrow Charles Henry Percival b 1889 Broken Hill, d ...., m Sarah Ann Elizabeth Harvey Ivy Rule b 1891 BH, d 1949, m..... Cecil Gordon b 1894 BH, d 22 Nov 1949 Black Forest SA, m Edith E Highman
Thanks for the pointer to the Cooper/Killen tree. I have seen it previously. It always had me wondering if James Killen, the Federal politician (QLD) from the 60s/70s was related?
It was Jan (granddaughter) who says the families lost touch, and they may have now but the Nymagee connection suggests that the brothers at least were in contact.
Post by spikeharwood on Oct 12, 2014 22:53:48 GMT -5
Re the four Funeral Notices and the family connections
#1 The RELATIVES and FRIENDS of Mrs. H. RULE, Mr. and Mrs. L. HANCOCK are respect- fully informed that the remains of their late beloved HUSBAND and FATHER (Henry) ...snipped.....
NSW marriages excerpt 15603/1915 Hancock Louis W G Dawe Ivy R Petersham
Mrs Hancock was obviously daughter Ivy who I hadnt found a marriage for in my previous post. Ivy Rule b 1891 BH, d 1949, m.....
#2 The following accounts for the other three children.... DAWE. - The RELATIVES and FRIENDS of Mr. and Mrs. E. SPARROW (Sydney), Elsie Mary b 1887 Nymagee, d 1943 Sydney, m Albert Christian Sparrow
Mr. and Mrs. PERCY DAWE (Mildura). Charles Henry Percival b 1889 Broken Hill, d ...., m Sarah Ann Elizabeth Harvey
Mr. and Mrs. CECIL DAWE Cecil Gordon b 1894 BH, d 22 Nov 1949 Black Forest SA, m Edith E Highman and FAMILIES are respectfully informed that the re- mains of their late beloved FATHER, FATHER-IN-LAW. and GRAND- FATHER (Henry Dawe) will be inter- red in the Church-of England Ceme- tery TO-MORROW (Friday), the Funeral (motor) leaving his late resi- dence. 423 Eyre-street, South Broken Hill, at 4 p.m.
#3 Brother, Frederick.... FRIENDS of Mr. and Mrs. FRED DAWE and FAMILY are respectfully informed that the remains of their late beloved BROTHER, BROTHER IN-LAW and UNCLE (Henry Dawe)
#4 Henry married Eliza Thomas. I've checked that she had a brother named Richard, but I cant find any "H" who would have been alive at the time.
DAWE. - The RELATIVES and FRIENDS of Mr. and Mrs. RICHARD THOMAS. Mr. and Mrs. H. THOMAS and FAMILIES are re- spectfully informed that the remains of their late beloved BROTHER-IN- LAW and UNCLE (Henry Dawe) will be interred in the Church of England Cemetery TO-MORROW (Friday), the Funeral (motor) leaving his late resi- dence, 423 Evre-street, South Broken Hill at 4 p.m.
Thanks, I thought Noweth might be something like that :-)
I spent some time yesterday figuring out those connections and have added them with sources to the Cooper and Killen tree on Ancestry. It looks to me as if Richard's son Herbert might be the "H"? I'll check that out today.
Still no joy with shipping lists for Frederick though,
There is a fascinating article here about Fred Dawe returning to England in 1908 for 6 months to 'recruit his health and visit his home folk' - the irony of having a 'smoke social' for his farewell would have been lost though... I'll be searching for newspaper articles about the visit in Cornwall I think - and a pity they didn't mention when he came to Australia (with the ship would have been nice too!)
When you say you are tidying up, does that mean you know what happened to the siblings in Cornwall? In particular, I wonder whether Edward Dawe is the one who died in the Wheal Agar mining disaster, 15 Aug 1883? In my imagination it's the sort of event that might have convinced Fred to try his luck in Australia :-)
If you are able to put me in touch with the others you have mentioned I'd be grateful - perhaps in a private message on Ancestry?
Post by spikeharwood on Oct 15, 2014 23:03:42 GMT -5
"tidying up". Not likely. You must be confusing me with someone else
I think I said I was wanting to sign off on the exits of some, and particularly the parents deaths and the immigration of the younger boys.
I have not followed the rest of the children through. I did find Bessie, Edward and Catherine (now with a bastard child) with Freddie in the 1881 Census but only Catherine (and Charles)is with mother in C91.
I'll get Jim's ok to pass on his email address - I dont think there will be a problem. I will send you a pm via this forum (see top of page). My Ancestry account is a bit complicated - will fill you in later.