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Post by allan1962 on Jul 6, 2014 17:15:25 GMT -5
I found the attached article in the Royal Cornwall Gazette Fri 08 Jul 1859 & thought that I could soon identify which Archelaus Casley died in the accident because he had left a wife & six children. I was wrong  . Thank you in advance for any advice/info. Allan. Attachments:
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Post by londoner on Jul 7, 2014 4:23:55 GMT -5
I found the attached article in the Royal Cornwall Gazette Fri 08 Jul 1859 & thought that I could soon identify which Archelaus Casley died in the accident because he had left a wife & six children. I was wrong . Thank you in advance for any advice/info. Allan. That would most likely be the Archelaus who married Thomasin Quick at Ludgvan I n 1827. Cornwall opc has the baptisms at St Just of 5 children for them between 1828 and 1852 a considerable gap before the last. |
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Post by londoner on Jul 7, 2014 4:27:48 GMT -5
1851 census at Lafrowda, St Just
HO107; Piece: 1919; Folio: 327; Page: 29;
Lots more children, perhaps some did not survive the next 8 years
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Post by londoner on Jul 7, 2014 4:32:28 GMT -5
From that it looks like he would have been the son of Archelaus and Catherine, baptised 28 Jul 1802
Can't find a marriage for his parents unless his father was alternatively known as Peter
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 7, 2014 6:49:00 GMT -5
All well and good ........................... except for one thing! Achelaus appears to have been alive and well in 1861 and living at Lower Trewellard with wife Tamson and seven children under the surname WARREN!  I battled over this one a couple of years back and determined firstly that Archelaus must have been the son of Peter and Catherine. As is not unusual in the registers I suspect the incorrect forename was entered for the father with Archelaus in place of Peter. Except for the surname being Warren instead of Casley all details of the family match with the 1851 Census with four of the elder children still living at home. Also, aside from the five children already mentioned there are others baptised with the father recorded as Hercules rather than Archelaus. I have also checked a number of times and never been able to find any record of a possible remarriage for Thomasine yet I cannot account for the family being recorded as Warren in 1861. Even if Thomasine had remarried I think it would have been more than a million-to-one shot that she happened to marry someone else named Archelaus! The biggest difficulty of course is that although Archelaus and Thomasine had many more than six children there does not appear to be another Archelaus Casley who might have been involved in the accident. And to add to the intrigue is the fact that there is no record in FreeBMD for a death of Archelaus Casley in 1859!! But in the September Qtr of 1859 there IS a death recorded for Archelous Casley ROWE!BUT IT GETS EVEN BETTER!!!  The only other death recorded in FreeBMD for an Archelous in 1859 is that of an Archelous WATERS in the June Qtr and from the St Just Parish Register is the following:- Archeleus Waters of Kenidjack age 43 buried 28th June 1859, "killed by cart falling on him"Now read that article again and see what you think! CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 7, 2014 7:14:36 GMT -5
For the record I have gathered the following information about Archelaus Waters:- Archelaus Waters age 30, miner of Trewellard (son of John Waters) married Sarah Bishop of Trewellard age 27 (daughter of Henry Bishop) 10th November 1846 at St Just Children:- Archelaus bp. 25th December 1847 St Just Sarah Jane bp. 15th July 1849 St Just Margaret Ann bp. 4th November 1850 St Just John Henry bp. 6th August 1854 St Just (stated by father to be 2 years old) Richard bp. 6th August 1854 St Just Martha bp. 21st May 1859 St Just The 1861 Census entry for this family is difficult. In fact the handwriting is so 'ordinary' that the surname actually looks like PETERS! and the word 'Wid.' looks like 'Md'. However Sarah and her six children are still living at Kenidjack. Confusing matters a little further are the names involved with these families of 'Archelaus' and it appears at times as though they changed names more often than the did their socks! The baptism for the above Archelaus:- Archelaus Warren son of John and Margaret Waters of Carnyorth bp. 28th April 1816 St Just John Walters married Margaret Warren 11th April 1814 at St Just (note that it is Walters in this case) Anyhow - we now have an Archelaus Waters buried 28th June 1859 after having been killed 'by a cart falling on him'. This Archelaus had a wife and six children so all information seems to match the newspaper report except for his surname which somehow became CASLEY! CT |
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Post by londoner on Jul 7, 2014 7:23:06 GMT -5
Might have known you would be on the ball, glad you found the right Archelaus, must have been a popular name in those days !
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 8, 2014 1:34:04 GMT -5
Achelaus seems to have been 'pocketed' around St Just for a period and it does appear that I have eventually found the right one but what I can't work out is how or why Archelaus Casley in 1851 became Archelaus Warren in 1861 or why the death of Archelaus Waters might be reported as Achelaus Casley!  I should think of more concern to you might be the way WARREN keeps popping up in all of this!  CT |
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Post by tonymitch on Jul 8, 2014 5:19:39 GMT -5
Hi there,
I had a fantastic and very enjoyable correspondence with a Marilyn Matthews of Colorado from 2000 until last year when she sadly died. Marilyn was a descendent of Archelaus and the following comes from family tree charts she sent me.....
Thomas Waters married Jane Addicote on 17 May 1790. They had a son John who married Margaret Warren 11 April 1814. They had a child Archelaus Warren born "c" 28 April 1816 at St Just. It is reported that he died 28th June 1859 "Killed when a cart fell on him" (Kenidjack)
On the next chart Marilyn has written.....Archelaus Warren Waters married Sarah Bishop 10 Nov 1846 and they had a child Archelaus (Big Arkie) "c" 25 Dec 1847 St Just died 10 Oct 1887 St Just. He married Mary Jane Harry on 1st Feb 1868. He was..."Called Big Arkie because he was 6ft 6inches and about 300lbs. Was Timberman in mines at St Just."
"Big Archie" and Mary Jane had a son Archelaus Thomas (b feb 1868 St Just, d Nevadaville 1916)
Nowhere is there a mention of Casley, neither is there a mention of a death in 1861 of any relative.
Tony M
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 8, 2014 7:06:56 GMT -5
Thanks for the input Tony. That plus what I found yesterday all goes to suggest that the 'Casley' part of the story was an error emanating from the newspaper. It has certainly caused a few headaches over the years!
CT
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Post by allan1962 on Jul 26, 2014 7:29:10 GMT -5
Thank you all for your inputs. Archelaus Casley 1800-1864 married Thomasine Quick 16 Jun 1827. They had 13 children, one Archelaus 1834-1835, another Archelaus 1843-1919. Archelaus Casley Rowe born 1859 died Sep Q 1859 was the son of William Rowe & Mary Jane Casley. Year of birth estimated from the births of his siblings & the naming of his brother with the same forenames in 1863. Regarding the 1861 census Casley/Warren mystery (which CT kindly explained to me previously), the only Warren's I have in my Casley tree are descended from my fifth great grandfather Thomas Warren, who married Ruth Warren 30 Nov 1728. Their daughter Mary Warren married Thomas Casley 01 Nov 1760. Mary & Thomas had a son Archelaus Casley 1764-1811 who married the mysterious Catharine unknown sometime before 1911. They also has a son Richard Casley 1762-1813 who married Margaret Warren on 30 May 1789. A rabbit Warren  There seems little doubt that, based on the evidence that CT has found, the newspaper report should have read Waters not Casley. Kind regards to you all, Allan Cassley. |
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