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Post by jjwhite499 on Apr 27, 2014 8:28:45 GMT -5
I am new at this. My William Tamlin (Tamblyn?) was born abt 1832 in Cornwall. Emigrated to the USA (first Michigan?) then Galena, Illinois or Mineral Point, Wisconsin. Eventually ended up in Dubuque, Iowa. These Iowa, Illinois and Wisconsin locations are within 15 miles of each other. William was said to be a fruit merchant in Dubuque, Iowa. (A carry over from his Michigan days?) Though mining was the main occupation for residents of Mineral Point or Galena, Dubuque had a lot of lead mines as well. By 1889 he is no longer in Dubuque. Either he died there or moved on to find his fame and fortune elsewhere.
William REED from St. Agnes and William TAMBLYN caught my eye in "The Cornish in West Cork" in the Penwith Genealogy.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 27, 2014 11:42:32 GMT -5
I think we might need a few more details about William Tamblyn before we can be of much help.  Using the basic information provided (i.e. born about 1832 Cornwall) is not a great help really but a check of the OPC site for baptisms around that time offers a couple of possibilities. There are four William Tamblyn baptisms in the database:- son of John and Jenny Tamblin 1831 at Little Petherick son of Henry and Honor Tamblyn 1833 at St Columb Major son of Thomas and Mary Bamblyn 1833 at St Columb Major son of John and Mary Tamblin 1833 at Duloe St Columb Major and Little Petherick are neighbouring parishes near Padstow up on the North Coast but Duloe is down south near Liskeard. It might be helpful if you can provide some details about when William might have arrived in the US, marriage details (if any) and also details of any children. CT |
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Post by jjwhite499 on Apr 28, 2014 18:34:23 GMT -5
Thanks for your reply. William Tamlin was born 1831-1832 in England. I believe he is in the 1861 Canada Census as William Tamlin, age 30, born England, single, home in 1861: Middlesex, Canada West. religion: Church of England. Also with him: Charles Tamlin, farmer, born Eng., Church of England, 45, male, married; Jane Tamlin, age 35, Church of England, female, married; My William Tamlin, farmer, born England, Church of England, 30, male, single and with two other people--Jane Tamlin born England, age 25, female, single, Church of England and John Isaac (Isaac a last name or a middle name for another Tamlin? a bastard son?) age 14, born England, Church of England.
1870 US Census for Dubuque, Iowa, Ward 1, page 25, line 26: Tamlin, William, 35, male, white, "Fruit Dealer" [That fits] Born: Michigan (an error --more like that is the State he lived in after Canada, where he got in the fruit (apple) business?) Mother and father "of foreign tongue" 181 Main? St. (The Gage Hotel) Dubuque, Iowa.
1880 US Census, Dubuque, Iowa: Tamlin, William, 43, born England, single, father and mother born England. "Fruit Merchant", 129 Main St. Dubuque, Iowa
Earliest date I have for him in Dubuque, Iowa: 1862 Tax Assessment Alpha Lists for Dubuque, Iowa. I have him in these type records to 1866 so he was not in the US Civil War.
The last entry I have for William Tamlin in the Dubuque City directories is 1892. Not sure if he died or just moved on. JJW
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Post by jjwhite499 on Apr 28, 2014 21:37:45 GMT -5
I forgot to indicate that Jane Tamlin, age 35 in the 1861 Canada census, was born in Ireland. jjw
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 29, 2014 5:05:28 GMT -5
I have a question for you ...... and the answer might determine whether or not I might be wasting my time on this query.  What connection do you have to this William Tamblyn/Tamlin? This man in Dubuque appears to have been unmarried so I need to know how you connect to him or what made you start searching for his origins. The following is from your first post:- Then in your next post you tell us:- From emigrating to the US and being in Illinois or Mineral Point, Wisconsin before ending up in Dubuque, Iowa you then say that he was in Canada before ending up at Dubuque! The 1870 US Census shows a William Tamlin at Dubuque, Iowa age 35 and then in 1880 apparently the same man is still at Dubuque age 48. IN each case he is on his own with no indication of any family. At the same time there is, in 1870, a William Tamblyn at Mineral Point, Wisconsin complete with wife Elizabeth and seven children!  This William was born in England about 1830. In 1880 this William is at La Salle, Illinois with a new wife and several step-children to add to his own brood.  So ... do you have a confirmed connection to one of these William Tamblyns (sic.) and if so is it the one with family or the loner in Dubuque? If you can confirm a connection somewhere then fine but please give me some of the information to show the connection otherwise I get the feeling that I might be wasting my time to no purpose. CT |
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Post by jjwhite499 on Apr 29, 2014 9:41:35 GMT -5
CT you are giving me information I do not know about. I can only tell you what I know. I think my William D.? Tamlin is the loner.
William D.? Tamlin married Harriett "Hattie" Morris March 6, 1865 in Dubuque, Iowa. Dubuque Co. Marriage Book 2, page 45, License #69. Married by Cornelius Welsh, J. P.
Hattie was born abt 1844, Grant Co. Wisconsin. Parents: Isaac Newton "Newt" Morris born 1808? Virginia. Martha Elizabeth "Patsy" Ward born 1808? Kentucky. They were married March 21, 1830 in Bond Co., Illinois.
1870 William Tamlin is alone at the Gage Hotel, Dubuque, Iowa.
1880 William Tamlin is alone at 129 Main St. Dubuque, Iowa.
1892 Last entry for William Tamlin in Dubuque City Directory
1870 Hattie Tamlin with her sister Mary Jackson (widow) age 35 and Mary's two sons, and Hattie's brother William Morris age 39 and Hattie's son Albert "Morris" Tamlin age 5 in Dubuque, Iowa US Census.
1880 Hattie with her sister Mary Jackson (widow) age 45 and Mary's two sons, and Hattie's brother William Morris age 49 and Hattie's son William "Morris" Tamlin in Dubuque, Iowa US Census. (William D.? Tamlin was the father of William "Morris" Tamlin)
1899, Aug. 3, Hattie died "in local hospital" Minneapolis, MN (A Mayo type hospital for a serious illness?). Stayed with another sister while there.
William Morris Tamlin Married Theresa Rose Christ in Dubuque, Iowa. They had one child: Pauline? Elizabeth "Betty" Tamlin.
"Betty" Tamlin married William B. White in Dubuque, Iowa and had six children. I am the baby of that family. About 1980 William B. White dropped the B. and used the middle name of "Francis"
PS. I am a member of Ancestry.com
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 29, 2014 13:50:54 GMT -5
All the information I quoted was from the Census records on Ancestry.com and I had gathered you had seen the same records.
What had me puzzled was that you mentioned Canada-Dubuque in one message and then in another you sand Mineral Point-Dubuque. What I was trying to show with my information was that the man in Mineral Point and the man in Dubuque were two different William Tamblyns and from that my question was about which one you might be connected to.
Now that you have provided the information about a marriage I have something more to go on but I can't promise anything given I now know there were at least two other William Tamblyns in a similar area who were also born in the 1830s in England.
After reading your 'new' information I have checked the 1870 and 1880 Census again and note that in 1880 Hattie said she was Divorced! Have you searched for any divorce records?
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 29, 2014 14:20:44 GMT -5
Since my last I have spent a little time searching Census records again. I cannot positively identify William Tamlin in any Census in 1850 and so far have had no luck trying to find Charles Tamlin. BUT - what I did notice when searching the UK records is that there were a lot of TAMLIN/TAMLYN entries particularly in DEVON. The Cornish variant of the name mostly includes the 'B' (i.e. TAMBLYN OR TAMBLIN) whereas those in Devon are all Tamlin/Tamlyn. And I noted that every record I have found for William Tamlin in the US has the latter spelling - including the marriage record on FamilySearch. That makes me wonder whether perhaps Devon might be the place you should be looking and if that is the case then we may not be able to help much further. CT |
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Post by jjwhite499 on Apr 30, 2014 4:33:21 GMT -5
CT thanks for the input. No, I have not searched for a divorce record in Dubuque County, Iowa for Hattie and William Tamlin. My mother told me that she doubted they ever lived together. That they got married to make Albert "Morris" Tamlin legit. That the middle name was "Morris" because Hattie was not sure he was going to marry her ---or some story like that. Iowa had State Censuses mid the US Census. One State Census lists Tamlin as Tamlini as if an Italian fruit merchant. I have seen at least one Tamlin who was born in Italy in a Dubuque County record.
What was your "take" on John Isaac in the 1861 Canada Census? Was his last name Tamlin or Isaac? I suppose my William Tamlin could have fathered him at the age of 16.
I will check out Devon. Thanks again. jjw
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Post by jjwhite499 on Apr 30, 2014 4:52:40 GMT -5
I have also seen at least two male Tamblyn's in Galena, Illinois records. They are buried in an abandoned cemetery for a town called Weston? that no longer exists. The town was located mid-way between Galena, Elizabeth and Hanover, Illinois. All of these towns were close to Mineral Point, WI, New Diggings, WI (Iowa and Grant counties Wisconsin) and Dubuque, Dubuque County, Iowa. This entire area was a hotbed of lead mining for many years....at least until 1849 when gold was discovered in California. I have seen Tamblyn's mentioned in Elizabeth, IL as well. Since the names were not spelled TAMLIN I passed them off as not important to my search for William Tamlin's origin. I mention this information for your benefit only. jjw
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 30, 2014 9:36:12 GMT -5
John Isaac - I neglected to mention yesterday that I had done a little checking on that name. As he was supposedly born in England around 1846 I was hoping that I might locate him in the 1851 Census so that I could see if a link could be found between his parents and the Tamlin family.
If John Isaac is related to William or Charles Tamlin then indications are that Devon might be where you will need to look. In the 1851 Censthere are 7 John Isaacs born about 1846 or 1847. All were then living in Devon and all except one had been born in Devon with the other born in nearby Bristol.
One of the seven was a 'pauper' living in the Workhouse so tracking him might be a little difficult but of the other six there are four living with parents, one living with grandparents and the sixth living with an uncle. Unfortunately I can find no marriage record for those married after 1837 where the name Tamlin is involved.
Looking at the 1861 Canada Census again and I am now wondering if the Jane Tamlin enumerated after William might have been his wife. There is a marriage in the December Qtr of 1855 at St Germans for a William Tamlin to a Jane Kerfoot which might account for that one. That would not explain John Isaac though.
But if this Jane was the wife of William then either he is not your William or Jane died and Hattie was a second wife.
If the family does come from Devon the difficulty is that I don't have access to the required records. I am largely limited to FreeBMD and the UK Census for much of Devon and I cannot afford more subscriptions.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 30, 2014 10:02:10 GMT -5
I have just found something that may be of interest. I decided that maybe finding Charles Tamlin in other Census records might be of some use so I checked Canada again and I might be able to eliminate your William of 1861 Canada.
In 1851 Charles Tamlin, farmer, age 37 was at Nissouri West, Middlesex County, Canada West (Ontario) and with him was William Tamlin age 25, Joanna Tamlin age 70 and Jane Tamlin age 25 - all born England. If you look at 1861 again you have:-
Nissouri West, Middlesex County
Charles Tamlin age 45 born England
Jane Tamlin age 35 born Ireland
William Tamlin age 30 born England
Jane Tamlin age 25 born England
John Isaac age 14 born England
The ages vary a little a little but this is obviously the same family albeit without the elderly Joanna who I suggest may have been the mother.
Charles (age 57) and Jane (age 50) Tamlin were still at Nissouri West in 1871 only this time Jane's birthplace is recorded as England. By 1881, and also in 1891) Charles and Jane are at London City, Ontario
In 1891 there is a William Tamlin with wife and family who appears to be a match for the man in 1861 with Charles. I suggest you have a look at the rest of the Canadian Census on Ancestry for yourself and follow both men through the Census records. My opinion at the moment is that the man in Canada is probably not the man who married Hattie in the US.
CT
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Post by jjwhite499 on Apr 30, 2014 11:09:55 GMT -5
CT, again thanks for all your help and info. As you know sometimes just a kernel of information means as much as a whole book of facts and figures. About 1954
when I was about 13, my parents went to London, Ontario "to visit relatives!" I did not know who these people were or how we were related to them. Being 13 I could "care less." So I went off with a bunch of other teens to a hamburger joint--I had my fries with ketchup and they had theirs with malt vinegar! A first experience for all of us "teens." I also recall milk being delivered by a horse drawn milk wagon---the horse knew the route so well he drove it himself as "the milk man" retrieved milk from the wagon and walked it to each door step. I was impressed. But..I digress.
Hidden away in some very old hand written notes of mine is my mother's answer to my question, "Who were those relatives in London, Ontario?" jjw
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 30, 2014 15:39:16 GMT -5
I always like to be of help so long as I can see some purpose to the help I am trying to give. And I now see that some of my digging might have produced that purpose.  I will be very interested to find out the answer to that question.  CT |
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Post by jjwhite499 on Sept 25, 2021 8:14:12 GMT -5
CT I am still at it. Though COVID has shut down places for most of my research. I am 80 and still in fairly good health. NO COVID and I have had my two shots and will get the booster shot soon.
I have searched just using FamilySearch.org as my Ancestry membership has expired for the time being.
I have developed a best guess/high probability tree since I cannot at the present be certain of all the facts. It connects my Tamlin's to Wembury, Devon, England and the John Galsworthy family (of The Forsyte Saga fame). I hope I am on the right track. Only time will tell ---but I am running out of time. Again thanks for all your help. You have steered me in the right direction and down the right path I am sure. Jim
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This William was born in England about 1830. In 1880 this William is at La Salle, Illinois with a new wife and several step-children to add to his own brood. 
I will be very interested to find out the answer to that question. 