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Post by lipkatatar on Mar 14, 2020 19:45:20 GMT -5
John Lanyen junior, Gent. appears in an account of a Kings Bench Plea Rolls dispute from 1569. John Lanyen junior, Gent was taking action against John Olliver, Thomas Jarinan, Henry Arthur and William Carno over property in Treveglos alias Treeglos in the parish of St Merryn. Richard Lanyen gets a mention, but the text is incomplete and in Latin, so I am not too clear what the issue was. Possibly the scribe just made a simple mistake. Would Richard Lanyen's eldest son John be called "junior" as his father was still head of the family, or could this be Richard's younger son John who was being called "junior" to distinguish him from his elder brother? King's Bench Plea Rolls - 1569. aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT5/Eliz/KB27no1229/bKB27no1229dorses/IMG_0468.htmThe KB27 files on AALT do have an index of sorts. There is no order as to how the case descriptions are placed within the files, but there is an index for each file that provides the county, the names of the individuals involved and the numerical position of each case within the file.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 15, 2020 3:18:29 GMT -5
Jim - glad the images got to you okay. As I indicated, the images are not the best quality but they are at least readable.
I have not done anything much with this family due to lack of information in the past but I can now add something from the Bishops Transcripts. It appears William Lanyon had at least one more child as per the BT from 1614:-
Morvah 1614 Burials Aves the daughter of Mr William Lanion was Buried ye xx4th of September - Anno Domino 1614
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Morvah Anno 1619 William Bolitho gent: and Margaret ye daughter of William Lanion gent: were married xxiiiith daye of October
William Lanion gent: was buried the xxvith daye of Maye
Now that all looks slightly at odds with the Will given the mention of grandchild Alexander Bolitho when the Will was written on 5th May 1619. Either there was a second daughter who also previously married a Bolitho or young Alexander was an illegitimate child.
I have sent you a copy of the 1619 BT.
CT
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Post by lipkatatar on Mar 15, 2020 10:36:59 GMT -5
Thanks again, Ian, for the Bishop's Transcript.
There may have been an error in the date recorded for the marriage of Margaret, but I think the grand-child Alexander named in William Lanyon's will would more likely have been a child of an earlier Lanyon-Bolitho marriage. The child must have been old enough to ride a horse.
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Post by zibetha on Mar 18, 2020 8:54:53 GMT -5
Back to the Shetfar/Shutford family, is anyone familiar with a Margaret Shutford probably born about 1735 who married a Daniel Waters in 1755 at St Levan?
Zib
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 18, 2020 11:40:33 GMT -5
I have the Daniel Waters marriage in my database and did quite a bit of work piecing the Waters/Walters/Watters families together last year. Unfortunately I was not able to identify Margaret Shetford at that time but on looking through the OPC database now I can find one possibility:-
Margaret daughter of Matthew and Margaret Shutford baptized at Mawnan 3rd June 1734
Margaret's last child was born in 1771 so working on my maximum age 48 for having children back then it means she could have been born no earlier than 1723. The marriage was in 1755 so if the above is her then she would have been 21 at marriage.
OOPS! just noticed another Margaret baptized at Mawnan in 1738 to Matthew and Margaret which indicates the earlier Margaret died young. That would make this later Margaret about age 17 at marriage which is still no great problem.
Margaret Shutford buried 21st June 1738 at Mawnan
Margaret daughter of Matthew and Margaret Shutford baptized at Mawnan 26th December 1738
Matthew Shutford married Margaret Drown at Mawnan 26th April 1724
CT
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Post by myghaelangof on Mar 30, 2020 16:49:45 GMT -5
Hi Zibetha, CT. Good to see you both still active. Margaret Shutford/ Daniel Waters is my direct line, their daughter Mary marrying Wm Angove in 1792. Off the top of my head I may have a Shetford line back to 1600's. Will check my records next day or two and hopefully get back to you. All the best, Mike
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 30, 2020 19:55:21 GMT -5
Hi Mike - great to hear from you again also . Your input on this will be most welcome I am sure and may offer other paths for people interested in this line to follow. I hope everyone is 'busy' with their research. We are certainly riding a challenging wave but the 'bright' side is that it puts many into a position where they may actually have some time for a while to pursue their family history. This forum is 'open for business' as usual and I am personally up to my neck in different avenues of research. CT
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Post by myghaelangof on Apr 1, 2020 14:55:12 GMT -5
Ok. I have the parents of Margaret Shutford as being: Robert SHUTFORD and Mary JENKIN (JYNKYNE). They were married by licence at St. Levan 10 July 1718. Phillimore states Mary to be of St.Buryan. The licence aspect may mean Mary was young. Howabout Mary dgr of Phillippa JENKIN bpt 8 Feb 1702 St Levan? Another Mary JENKIN baptised:St.Buryan 7 Aug 1698 Mary,d.o. Edwin and Mary JENKIN I think the main reasons I have assigned this couple to be Margaret SHUTFORDs parents is the location, and naming patterns. Margaret's dgr Mary named her 3rd & 4th sons Robert, the 1st and 2nd William poss after her husband. There was a Robert SHUTFORD bapt 27 May 1688 St.Buryan son of Robert. Robert SHUTFORD = Elizabeth HOSKEN 3May 1671 Sancreed. The will of John HOSKEN dated 3 Jan 1693 cfms his dgr Elizabeth married Robert SHUTFORD. children of this marriage: Margaret 1672, Alice 1676, John 1678, Elizth 1680, Richard 1683, Robert 1688. I'll be quick as I'm getting orders. The sooner one of us goes back to work.... let me know your thoughts. I do have a lot of Shutford marriages on file for the St Buryan/ Sancreed/ St. Just areas in the 16/1700's. I have a birth or baptism for Margaret as St levan October 1731 but have never been able to find this myself. The registers are appalling around these dates. There is a baptism for a Margaret with the surname illegible, although I reckoned it could have been Tonkin.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 2, 2020 0:29:37 GMT -5
Sorry to disappoint Mike but that 1731 Baptism at St Levan is for Margaret daughter of Methuselah TASKIS and took place on October17th. The images we get to see of those registers are far from ideal but certainly not unreadable especially with a fairly decent PC and larger monitor. The entry in the register reads as follows:- Robert Shutford & Mary Jynkyne of Burian July 10 by LicenceI can that it is certainly possible for these to have been the parents of Margaret as there are three significant gaps between the recorded children - 1820-1824, 1825-1830 and 1830-1835. But it does concern me a little that Daniel and Margaret Waters did NOT use the name 'Robert' when naming their children. Of course with only two sons (Richard and Daniel) and five daughters the opportunities were restricted somewhat and the two names used would appear to have come from the Waters side. As far as a link to Robert Shutford is concerned I think this is probably a 'bit of a stretch' given the only male names in Mary's family were the above Richard and Daniel. But I do acknowledge that, according to OPC records, the name 'Robert' appears to be certainly not an Angove name. I think the Jury will remain out on this one for some time yet. CT
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Post by myghaelangof on Apr 2, 2020 8:07:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the analysis CT. Couldnt agree more, as I stated it was supposition, based on the available, sketchy, evidence. I'm not happy but at the moment it's best fit. Maybe something will turn up to prove or disprove my theory.
Sorry to disappoint Mike but that 1731 Baptism at St Levan is for Margaret daughter of Methuselah TASKIS and took place on October17th. No disappointment CT, I knew it wasnt Shutford, and can see why I read Tonkin instead of Taskis. Neither of which surname helps anyway lol!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 2, 2020 11:07:48 GMT -5
I can think of only two other options at the moment if we allow that Margret may not be a daughter of Robert Shutford.
1. A brief sojourn to the Isles of Scilly. Baptism records begin in 1726 and the images can be very difficult to read so it could be a bit of a chore given the OPC records for Scilly don't begin until 1751. The images are available via FamilySearch. 2. Margaret may have been an illegitimate child and taken the Shutford name later. That would involve a search for any Margarets baptized from perhaps 1720 through to about 1740 with no father recorded. She was probably born after 1730 but a check of earlier records might be worthwhile if nothing is found after 1730.
CT
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Post by JerseyGirl on Jul 5, 2020 4:48:51 GMT -5
Hi CT I looked at Margaret’s marriage in OPC and it has William’s name as Bosustow not Bolitho. Is that a mistake or could another of William Lanion’s daughters be Alexander Bolitho’s mother? Tks Jim - glad the images got to you okay. As I indicated, the images are not the best quality but they are at least readable. I have not done anything much with this family due to lack of information in the past but I can now add something from the Bishops Transcripts. It appears William Lanyon had at least one more child as per the BT from 1614:- Morvah 1614 Burials Aves the daughter of Mr William Lanion was Buried ye xx4th of September - Anno Domino 1614AND Morvah Anno 1619 William Bolitho gent: and Margaret ye daughter of William Lanion gent: were married xxiiiith daye of October
William Lanion gent: was buried the xxvith daye of MayeNow that all looks slightly at odds with the Will given the mention of grandchild Alexander Bolitho when the Will was written on 5th May 1619. Either there was a second daughter who also previously married a Bolitho or young Alexander was an illegitimate child. I have sent you a copy of the 1619 BT. CT
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Post by dangereuse on Jul 5, 2020 11:31:12 GMT -5
Hi everyone
The Heralds visitations for Devon for the Bolitho family have Alexander Bolitho baptised 1615 at Helston as the son of William Bolitho and Elizabeth Lanyon who married 19 June 1614 at Helston
David
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 6, 2020 0:02:44 GMT -5
Hmm! Now that I have taken another very close look at the Bishops Transcript from which the marriage entry was obatained I have to say that perhaps my earlier interpretation may have been incorrect. I have also checked OPC records for other instances of 'Bolitho' in the BMDs and found that the earliest is not until 1779.
After careful consideration I now believe the name in the 1619 marriage to be BOSISTOW. (This name appears as Busostow, Bosusto, Bosisto Bossustow and possibly other variants.)
My apologies for any confusion caused by my earlier misreading of the name.
CT
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Post by JerseyGirl on Jul 6, 2020 3:16:06 GMT -5
The name of William’s grandson in his 1619 will does look like Alexander Bolitho.
There is a marriage 1619 Morvah William Bosustow & Margaret Lanion d/o William gent. I couldn’t find a baptism for a child called Alexander Bosustow between 1600-1619.
There is also a marriage in Helston 9/6/1614 of William Bolitho and Elizabeth Lenyan and 7/5/1615 in Helston a baptism of Alexander Bolithoe s/o William.
Could it be that William had two daughters one called Margaret married to William Bosustow and one called Elizabeth married to William Bolitho? The grandson Alexander in the will is from Elizabeth & William?
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