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Post by theaussie on Nov 23, 2013 23:12:01 GMT -5
HI I have tracked myself back to a simon trewella (1804) who married a Mary Ann Snell (1804) in st clement. Apparently both their graves are at st clement. Simon's parents have been hard to track though and I am finding it hard to ssource any info on them. If anyone has a any lead particularly on simon I would be grateful as ever.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 24, 2013 3:23:16 GMT -5
This is a rather complicated family when you look at the overall picture but I should be able to answer most of your questions. I do still have a lot of work to do on all the Trewhella (var.) families but it is mostly reviewing Parish Registers and updating known information prior to sorting out information I have from other countries. In this particular family there is one man who married three times and had numerous children from each marriage. Amongst those children we have branches who ended up in Russia and South Africa so you can appreciate some of the difficults to be faced. Simon Tregunna Trewhela was baptised at Kenwyn 25th May 1806 to Catherine Trewhela. I had only briefly tried to determine the identity of his father but that was many years ago so I will follow up on the above information (posted by Simon) with interest. But that is just one part of the puzzle you face as with this family the surname varies dramatically in the registers and even, in some cases, in the modern day spelling. The mother of Simon Tregunna Trewhela was actually a widow when Simon was born. She was Catherine Brown who married James Trewhelar/Trewheeler at Kenwyn 10th July 1794. James died in 1804 and was buried at Kenwyn 25th November 1804. James was the youngest son of William Trewhela and his first (of three) wife Elizabeth Tremellen. I won't go into all of that right now as it will get extremely confusing and I still have to check all the details. The first thing we need to do I think is to establish how and where you fit into the family so that we can get all the information about those links verified. After that the long process of tracking the family back (and sideways) can be done. So if you can give me some details of your links to Simon it would be a great help. Do it via email or PM if you prefer but we should try and keep most of the discussion here if possible. CT
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Post by theaussie on Nov 24, 2013 4:26:57 GMT -5
Hi Everyone I am researching the trewhellas and have got stuck on simon trewella (b 1804). I cant find his parents. Can anyone help??? Hi there, I'm sure CT will be along to help out soon Is this Simon Trewhela who died age 62 at St Clement? If so, it's likely that he was the base child of Cathrine Trewhella, and was baptised at Kenwyn in 1806 as Simon Tregunna Trewhela. He married Mary Snell in 1829 at St Clement. further edit... Somewhat speculative, perhaps the father is Simon Tregunna, bpt 1782 at Veryan. He's in the right location, the right age, and his brother (well I think its his brother) is married to Jane Trewhela. Simon Tregunna marries Grace May in 1807, so this may have been a fling before marriage. I cannot find a Simon in the Trewhella (var.) line before your one, so perhaps the name comes from the father's side. Simon Tregunna's father is also a Simon. Just regard this as speculation,and a line to be explored. Simon ( a latter day Trewhella on the maternal GM side)
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Post by theaussie on Nov 24, 2013 4:30:27 GMT -5
Yes tenpoundpom it was the one that died at sixty two in st clement. I have come across the name tregunna before too I will check that link thanks and let you know. Thanks a bunch!!!!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 24, 2013 7:20:51 GMT -5
I know Corinne is the youngest child of Arthur Reginald Trewhela and Antoinette (nee Domidion) and that she married and had two children. I don't know where she is now but assuming she is still living I cannot post any more about her or her children here.
When I was in the US back in 1994 I met Corinne's brother Michael Arthur Trewhela and some of the information I have came from him. I have information on most of Reg's children and their families but I don't know the names of all their children. His son Reginald had a daughter and I don't know her name and the same goes for son Raymond. Perhaps Cindy is one of them.
I would like to fill in a few more gaps in this family as well. Much of the information I was given back then was simply names but I lost touch with the family many years ago.
CT
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Post by theaussie on Nov 24, 2013 10:18:11 GMT -5
Ok here goes some of the information I have collected so far on my trewhela's . All these people originally stem from Florence Mabel Trewhela (1882-1968) married to arthur trewhela (1878-1958). I will start with the aussie leg of us and their youngest daughter. Mabel J Trewhela (1923-1989) married Harry Lindon (1913-1987). THey had 4 girls and I am the eldest of their 6 grand children. I will give some more tommorrow or I am going to get in trouble for not going to bed.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 24, 2013 13:27:02 GMT -5
Okay - I will read this thoroughly tomorrow and respond in the new thread in the Trewhella section.
CT
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Post by theaussie on Nov 24, 2013 20:37:27 GMT -5
Hello again! Still children of Florence Mabel Trewhela (1882-1968) who married Arthur Trewhela (1878-1958). Mabel J Trewhela (1923-1989) was the youngest. Sidney J Trewhela (1916-2000) married Joan Louise May(1919-2001) and they had four kids Sandra Trewhela( b1957), David Trewhela (b1949), Shirley Trewhela (1946) and Micheal D Trewhela who died at birth in 1944. Sandra married Peter Shilling and had three girls,David married Amanda G CUrtis and has no kids, Shirley has at least one confirmed child called Donna.Next we have Richard John Trewhela (1915-1990) who married Katherine Woodhurst (1914-1998)and they had three kids. Ray Trewhela (1946), Patricia Trewhela (1935) and Kathleen E Trewhela (1934). Ray has never married and has no kids, Patricia married John V F Payne and I am unsure if there are any kids, and Kathleen E Trewhela married Thomas Rutter and has at least 1 girl and 1 boy. Then there was Dorothy Matthew Trewhella (1909-2000) who married Edward John Gilbert (died 1976). They had no children. Dorothy was the product of a liason that Florence has before she married. Dorothy always kept the Matthews name as she didnt know her father and this was her way of keeping him in her life. Arthur Trewhela later adopted her and this is how she became Dorothy Matthews Trewhela.The next child is Gladys eveline Trewhela (b1906) who married Charles R Stephens. I have not found any kids from this partnership. Gladys we think came from another liason she had before marrying Arthur. She stayed with some of the stephens family which is florence's last name for a while and then came to be with her mum and arthur. Again Arthur adopted her so she got the last name Trewhela. There was said to be some controversy over her marriage as charles r stephens was a cousin or relative somehow. There is one more child that belongs here. Arthur Trewhela was married to an Annie Coad before he married Florence. Not sure if Annie died in child birth, but she died at 24yrs old and they had a son Arthur Reginald Trewhela (1905-1968). Arthur Trewhela had him entering into the relationship with Florence. He was sent to America at 18yr old, reasons are unclear. He married Antoinette Domedion (1908- dead) and had 7 children. I will list them later.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 25, 2013 3:50:04 GMT -5
Interesting - do you know when and where this marriage took place and where the children were born? I do not have any record of a marriage for Kathleen and have not found it in the BMD Indexes. I believe Gladys was a daughter of Annie Coad. She was born in the Redruth Registration District in 1906 and was baptised at Easton St Lawrence, Bristol, GLS 31st October 1906. It will take me a little time now to sort through the information but I will do so as quickly as I can. And it might also be an idea to discuss some of this later information via Private Message or email because we are getting into an area where there will be living relatives. For some of this family I think I have records which do not yet appear in my database. Some of these have been found in the last couple of years so are currently kept in folders on the PC until I have time to sort through them all properly. Looks like we are going to have a lot to talk about. CT
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Post by theaussie on Nov 25, 2013 9:17:21 GMT -5
I finally found where you want me to reply I hope!!! Completely new to this type of forum in fact forums in general!!! I hope I have it right now!!! I have only in the past two weeks contacted a Jeffrey Trewhela in America who put me on to Raymond Trewhella the last surviving child of antoinette domedion and Arthur Reginald Trewhela. I then spoke to another of Micheals sons who is trying to find out a few bits for me. Very Exciting. Kathleen E Trewhela (1934) married Thomas Rutter in 1955. It is listed in the England and Wales Marriage Index under the name of Thomas Rutter marrying Spouse Trewhela Date of Reg oct-Nov-Dec 1955, Registration District of Ealing, Infered County of Middlesex, Vol. No.5E, Page 171. Their kids names were Adrian T Rutter (1956), Andrew R Rutter(1958), and Noelle J E Rutter (1963). They were all listed in the England and Wales Birth Index. Thanks for the Simon Connection. Please be quite honest with me on what you would like me to PM and so forth as I dont want to overstep any lines. I will add more for you tommorrow. Ta Muchly!!!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 25, 2013 9:42:57 GMT -5
Yes, this is it. If we keep everything here it will save things getting messy and make it much easier for everyone to follow what is happening. No wonder I never found it - it is actually indexed as TWEWHELA! I searched right through the England BMD Indexes many years ago and only recently reviewed the list but never found this one. It is only now that you have told me the name of her husband that I was able to find it! We can use PM and email for anything that might be a little sensitive. That includes details about persons who are still living. I am quite happy to pass on any information I have on these families and I would be interested in anything that Raymond and also Michael's sons might be able to tell you. As well as sorting out and updating these later generations we will have to start looking at other information you want to know. I think there might be some more of Simon's descendants who ended up in the US and of course there was the family who went to South Africa. The South Africans are a little more difficult but I do have some information about them. I should also say that there may be times when you don't hear from me for a couple of days. That is because I am a volunteer firefighter and the fire season is about on us and looks like being busy. Will do my best to keep up with you. CT
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Post by theaussie on Nov 26, 2013 1:26:17 GMT -5
Understood ian. I am totally useless at reading between the lines so thanks for being honest. Stay safe in your firefighting role. What I am trying to do with simon is trace back as far as I can go on my line of trewhela's. Simon is as far as I have got at the moment. I tried to find supporting documents to go with what you said earlier about simon but have been unable too. Do you know of any that I can reference? I will let you know the americans I have soon as I can get a quiet moment from the kids!!!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 26, 2013 4:34:12 GMT -5
Okay - well from there it does get tricky. This is a case where I need to put my 'sensitive hat' on and I am not sure really how you will want to proceed. You see, in your case it is even more tricky because as an illegitimate child Simon would really only be a Trewhela in name only. Simon's mother had been a widow for around 18 months by the time Simon was born and Census records as well as his burial record suggest that he was probably born not long before the baptism. His mother Catherine was born Catherine Brown and she married James Trewhelar in 1794. James was buried in November 1804 so it is extremely unlikely that he could have been Simon's father. The fact that Simon was baptised 'Simon Tregunna Trewhela' also indicates that James was probably not his father and as has already been pointed out those forenames point to the likelihood that his father was actually Simon Tregunna. Proving Simon Tregunna was the father is the first problem we will need to address and unless there was a Bastardy Case recorded then it might prove difficult. I am quite happy to guide you through the Trewhella links to as far back as I have been able to go and I am also happy to help build up the families of Simon Trewhela's children. But to follow your true ancestors we need to try to find something that proves the exact father of Simon. You tell me how you want to proceed and I will help as much as I possibly can. Certainly the families of Simon's children are important so perhaps we could continue with them for a start. CT
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Post by tenpoundpom on Nov 27, 2013 3:18:50 GMT -5
Proving Simon Tregunna was the father is the first problem we will need to address and unless there was a Bastardy Case recorded then it might prove difficult. I'm not an advocate for DNA testing for genealogy purposes, but that would be another way of establishing a connection to the Tregunna line, if not specifically to "the suspect". Simon & Grace had many children so I would think that there are descendants alive, maybe some of them have been swabbed! And there are sites where you can hook up your DNA with others to see if you are related. Not something that I'm thinking of doing, but it's another tool. Simon
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 27, 2013 5:18:47 GMT -5
And DNA testing is also something that attacks the hip pocket! I have just been doing a little work on the Tregunna family and found something of more than passing interest. Amongst the children of Simon and Grace Tregunna was son Peter who was baptised in 1819 at St Anthony in Roseland. In 1842 at St Clement this Peter Tregunna married one Elizabeth Snell who just happens to have been the sister of the Mary Snell who married Simon Tregunna Trewhela in 1829! That does not exactly establish what we are looking for but I do think that it is suggestive. CT
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