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Post by tenpoundpom on Oct 16, 2013 4:02:39 GMT -5
In 1875 the records show the birth of Martin Trewhella Champion. In March 1881 there is a legal proceeding between Martin Trewhella "a young man of ndependent means", and Mary Champion, at St Ives, in regard to a failure of child support. Martin claims that Mary told him that he was not the father and therefore he was not going to supports another man's child. The court would have nothing of this and basically says "pay up, or you are in jail" An addendum to the report has him paying up. In the 1881 census records we find Mary Champion( born Lelant) as an unmarried daughter of Sarah Champion with son Martin T Champion and a daughter Loveday A T Champion
Now, is that Martin Trewhella, the son of John Trewhella and Mary Richards? Of the Martin Trewhellas that I have in my records he seems to be the most likely culprit. I'm sure that there are other Martin Trewhellas of an appropriate age which are not on my records. However if he is John and Mary's son, is it possible that went to Australia to escape his responsibilities??
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 16, 2013 5:09:42 GMT -5
In the first place you have me at a disadvantage because I have not seen the details of any of these legal proceedings! So if you have anything you can send me I would be more than a little interested in reading it. Martin Trewhella, son of John Trewhella and Mary Richards, arrived in New South Wales aboard the 'Hereford' on 6th December 1878 so it seems hardly likely that he would have been involved in the 1881 proceedings. I actually have not done anything with this family for many years and in fact I did not even have Mary Champion as the mother of the two children. I appear to have resisted the temptation at the time to label Mary as the mother simply on the basis of her being the only Champion daughter at home with Sarah at the time of the 1881 Census. But your new information has changed that and she is duly now recorded in that capacity. So now look at the names of those two children again - Martin Trewhella Champion and Loveday A T Champion. From other records I know that she was Loveday Ann T Champion and it does not take much thinking to hazard a guess and say that the third initial probably stands for Trewhella! So if you add these names all together I arrive at the possibility that the father of the children was none other than the youngest brother of my 2xgt-grandfather!!! Martin Trewhella baptised 25th June 1843 Lelant to William Trewhella and Loveday Eddy. He did spend some time in Australia but in 1881 he can be found at St Ives with his widowed sister Jane and her daughter Loveday. In 1881 Martin Trewhella was a 'retired tin miner' at the age of 37! I am going to have to do some more work on this family and check through the PRs for some details but hopefully I will find enough to prove that this must be the correct Martin Trewhella. Any further information you can send to help with that will be most appreciated. CT
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Post by tenpoundpom on Oct 16, 2013 6:31:01 GMT -5
In the first place you have me at a disadvantage because I have not seen the details of any of these legal proceedings! So if you have anything you can send me I would be more than a little interested in reading it. Martin Trewhella, son of John Trewhella and Mary Richards, arrived in New South Wales aboard the 'Hereford' on 6th December 1878 so it seems hardly likely that he would have been involved in the 1881 proceedings. I actually have not done anything with this family for many years and in fact I did not even have Mary Champion as the mother of the two children. I appear to have resisted the temptation at the time to label Mary as the mother simply on the basis of her being the only Champion daughter at home with Sarah at the time of the 1881 Census. But your new information has changed that and she is duly now recorded in that capacity. So now look at the names of those two children again - Martin Trewhella Champion and Loveday A T Champion. From other records I know that she was Loveday Ann T Champion and it does not take much thinking to hazard a guess and say that the third initial probably stands for Trewhella! So if you add these names all together I arrive at the possibility that the father of the children was none other than the youngest brother of my 2xgt-grandfather!!! Martin Trewhella baptised 25th June 1843 Lelant to William Trewhella and Loveday Eddy. He did spend some time in Australia but in 1881 he can be found at St Ives with his widowed sister Jane and her daughter Loveday. In 1881 Martin Trewhella was a 'retired tin miner' at the age of 37! I am going to have to do some more work on this family and check through the PRs for some details but hopefully I will find enough to prove that this must be the correct Martin Trewhella. Any further information you can send to help with that will be most appreciated. CT I will send you the newspaper record. I do have Martin (1843) in my records, but after some consideration (including the knowledge that his mother's first name was Loveday) I decided that he was an probably not the culprit as the report says that he was "a young man". Maybe what was acutally said was that he was " a yeoman". If so, then he is back in the frame!!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 16, 2013 8:09:31 GMT -5
Well, I guess that could be subjective. What was the age of the person who produced the report?? Now consider this list of Martin Trewhellas (var.) from my database. These are only those born/baptised after 1843 but who would have been old enough to be the father of Mary Champion's child:- Martin son of John and Mary (Richards) born 1851 Towednack - emigrated to Australia in 1878 and died at Emmaville, NSW in 1891 Martin son of Matthew and Mary (Roach) born 1859 Towednack - buried August 1860 at Lelant Martin son of Martin and Maria (Pope) born 1861 Ludgvan - married Eliza Jane Jones (nee Andrews) at Ishpeming, Michigan in 1886 The last of these would seem the only possibility but then he would have been only 17 when the child was born. Not only that but in 1881 he was still living with his parents at Rosengrouse, St Erth. The son of William and Loveday remains the prime candidate but it is a shame nothing else has been found to support it aside from the newspaper report. In his Will Martin only mentions his sister Jane, and his nephews Tobias and Thomas Uren along with an Edwin Kelly Anthony who is named as a trustee. There is mention of a Mrs Hocking - 'Mrs Hocking must look after the cat if there is one and please give her something for doing it'. The bulk of his money was left to the Carbis Bay Wesleyan Methodist Church but there were codicils mentioning some changes. One codicil also mentions the disposal of furniture 'commencing with boats the blue one with patent stern I give to Hayle Model yacht club ...' CT
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Post by zibetha on May 12, 2019 23:08:41 GMT -5
hi, Simon and CT--
I received some "Trewheller" record possibilities in an email today from a website I use. One has me looking at the children of Martin Trewhella and Maria Pope again. I am actually trying to resolve one that may involve their son, John, but that led me to a biography of his older brother, Martin. According to it, Martin moved to the US in 1878, so I think that would let us cross him off the list re: the matter above. He went first to Pennsylvania,then Michigan and later Minnesota where he was a mine captain on the Iron Range.
I am trying to identify an Agnes Trewhella/er who arrived in New York in 1904 and was briefly held under medical detention at Ellis Island with her unnamed child. There isn't much information, but I am wondering if this might have been Agnes maiden name Jose and daughter Elizabeth C Trewhella. There are census records for an Elizabeth who was an inmate at a facility for the feeble-minded in southern Minnesota where she eventually died in 1980 (yes that 1908 was a typo.)
Duluth and St. Louis County, Minnesota; Their Story and People: An Authentic Narrative of the Past, with Particular Attention to the Modern Era in the Commercial, Industrial, Educational, Civic and Social Development, Volume 3.
Can be found on googlebooks.com bio on page 1117
Zib
I was having trouble with the link last night, but I think I've got it now.
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Post by tenpoundpom on May 13, 2019 4:32:09 GMT -5
hi, Simon and CT-- I received some "Trewheller" record possibilities in an email today from a website I use. One has me looking at the children of Martin Trewhella and Maria Pope again. I am actually trying to resolve one that may involve their son, John, but that led me to a biography of his older brother, Martin. According to it, Martin moved to the US in 1878, so I think that would let us cross him off the list re: the matter above. He went first to Pennsylvania,then Michigan and later Minnesota where he was a mine captain on the Iron Range. I am trying to identify an Agnes Trewhella/er who arrived in New York in 1904 and was briefly held under medical detention at Ellis Island with her unnamed child. There isn't much information, but I am wondering if this might have been Agnes maiden name Jose and daughter Elizabeth C Trewhella. There are census records for an Elizabeth who was an inmate at a facility for the feeble-minded in southern Minnesota where she eventually died in 1908. Duluth and St. Louis County, Minnesota; Their Story and People: An Authentic Narrative of the Past, with Particular Attention to the Modern Era in the Commercial, Industrial, Educational, Civic and Social Development, Volume 3. Can be found on googlebooks.com bio on page 1117 Zib Thanks for the update. Makes Martin, son of William & Loveday, the most likely candidate as the father of Mary's children. I can confirm that the girl's full name was Loveday Ann Trewhella Champion..the GRO tells me so. Registered Sep Q 1879. Duluth was where Bob Dylan was a kid, and there is a bit about the Iron Range in a Dylan doco I saw a few years ago. Simon
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 13, 2019 4:58:16 GMT -5
Undoubtedly Agnes Jose who married John Trewhella at St Erth in 1892. John and Agnes along with daughter Elizabeth C(atherine) were at Paul in Cornwall in 1901 but I'm not sure that I had details of when they emigrated except that they were in Minnesota by 1910. At that time it is recorded that Agnes had been the mother of six children of whom only one was still living (Elizabeth). The only other child I have any details for is daughter Lena Alberta who was baptized at Gulval 30th Jun 1896 and buried there 4th July 1896. Now, I have a feeling you might have a minor typo in the above! Elizabeth Trewhella actually died at Jordan, Minnesota 21st January 1980. John Trewhella died of phthisis pulmonalis at Fergus Falls State Hospital 19th October 1912 and was buried at the Hospital Cemetery 2 days later. Agnes predeceased him having died 26th March 1910 at Hibbing and buried 28th March at Hibbing. She was only age 41 but the cause of death was listed as 'dementia'. The complete list of children for Martin Trewhella and Maria Pope is as follows:- 1. Martin Trewhella Pope baptized 22nd August 1852 at Ludgvan 'son of Maria Pope of Polgean, single woman' (he was buried at Lelant 16th March 1853) 2. John Trewhella Pope baptized 28th March 1854 at Halsetown 'son of Maria Pope of Halse Town, single woman, privately (he died in 1868 and was buried as 'John Trewhella of Polgrean age 15' 27th November 1868 at Ludgvan) 3. Catherine Jane Trewhella baptized 5th March 1860 at Ludgvan and buried 15th September 1863 at Ludgvan age 4-1/2 4. Martin Trewhella born at Polgrean 13th June 1861 and baptized 3rd August 1862 at Ludgvan. Married Eliza Jane Jones nee Andrew at Ishpeming MI 22nd February 1886 and died at Terry Sanitarium Los Angeles 15th August 1925 of cancer. He was buried at Inglewood Park Cemetery LA 18th August 1925. 5. Matthew Trewhella born at Ludgvan 27th February 1865 and baptized 3rd April 1867 married Bessie Trevaskis at St Erth29th October 1895 and died at Hibbing MN 1st October 1908. (Bessie returned to Cornwall with their two children after Matthew died but son Bernard later returned to Minnesota where he married and had two children.) 6. John born Ludgvan 30th January 1869 and baptized 20th February 1870 at Ludgvan married Agnes Jose as per notes above. Hope that helps a little but I would be very interested to see or hear more about these latest 'possibilities'. CT
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Post by zibetha on May 13, 2019 11:43:40 GMT -5
Thanks, CT, I, too, have the children as you have listed them, and it made sense to me that the brothers were in the same areas in the US. Probably good to be the relative of a mine captain if you needed work! Bernard was from Iron Mountain, Michigan which I consider the US seat of my family. Having found the medical exception list for Agnes, I'll take another look for the passenger list. Hibbing, Minnesota is about a 3+ hour drive north for me; I've been there once. It reminded me a bit of Iron Mountain. I've never met "Bobby" but did know a cousin of his from work Zib
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 13, 2019 22:01:35 GMT -5
Loveday Ann Trewhella Champion was born at St Ives 20th July 1979 and, although the entry is not dated, she appears to have been baptized about July/August of 1884 at Halsetown. (Halestown Parish Register) There are five baptisms at the top of this page in the register that are all undated of which three are for children of John and Grace Webber, one for a child of John and Philippa Ann Webber and the last for Loveday Champion. I suspect John Webber was the father of all four Webber children and possibly remarried shortly before 1884 when the last child was born. The first of those entries is for July and then immediately after Loveday Champion's baptism is a baptism dated 29th August. Aside from other factors narrowing down the possibilities I think the fact that we have a child named 'Loveday Ann Trewhella' is a good indication of who the father was. CT
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