ok I have 5 BP between 1741& 1767 1/ 1741 Joseph Bennetts s/o will & elizabeth 2/ 1763 Joseph S/O HAUGHTON----BUR:27 SEP 1767 1764 3/JOSEPH S/O WILLIAM & ELIZABETH-----BUR: 22 APRIL 1763 S/O WILLIAM 4/1764 JOSEPH S/O WILLIAM& ELIZABETH ? THE DEATH ON 30 JAN 1763 OF joseph could not be william and Elizabeth's Bp 1764 so it must be Joseph on top Bp 1741 because it is not Joseph s/o Haughton because he was not born till 1 Nov 1767 s/o Haughton now what happened to son no 2 of William & Elizabeth Bp 1764 there is no other marriage of a Joseph Bennetts from 1784 till 1800 on the OPC so I give up DO YOU HAVE ANY CLUE ? Sorry about about writing my key board is play up Regards Lyn
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 30, 2013 7:56:02 GMT -5
You are meandering again! Don't wander off and get caught up with Joseph and what happened to him/them - stick to the main reason why you are focussing on his name!
You are trying to identify which Mary Bennetts married William Clifton and which married William Vine and you have two Mary's born about the same time. Mary 1. was daughter of William and Elizabeth Mary 2. was daughter of Haughton and Mary
William and Elizabeth used the name Joseph for two sons. Haughton and Mary used the name Joseph for two sons.
The end result of this is that the name Joseph does not seem to be of any use in identifying which Mary married who! That means that it is rather pointless to worry about what happened to all the Joseph Bennetts right now.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 31, 2013 3:51:08 GMT -5
And Edward is also a Bennetts name in many parts!
You need to find a legitimate connection to the name that might give a good reason for using it. If William vine was son of Edward or perhaps had a brother of that name then it might help. But don't accept anything blindly - after all, I have ancestors whose first two children were named after the then King and Queen!
HI Tc There are only 3 Vine BP in camborne Edward Vine 12 Feb 1743 s/o William
WILLIAM 14 April 1751 and Ann10 May 1752
and only 2 Marriage of a William Vine 1740------1750 1/William Vine & Elizabeth Eva 3 Dec 1743 Edward was born out of wed lock and william married twice 2nd to Jane Johns 16 June 1750 / and she died 10 July 1756 w/of William I can not find Elizabeth death? william has a 1/2 brother Edward regard Lyn
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 31, 2013 11:07:10 GMT -5
There are only 3 Vine BP in camborne
If you go to the OPC site and search for Vine baptisms at Camborne you should find a list of 75 from from 1678 to 1837 and then another in 1908.
Also - the William Vine you seem to be looking at had FOUR children baptised at Camborne from 1746 to 1752 - Edward 1743, MARY 1746, William 1751 and Ann 1752. Even more interesting is that it appears this Ann had a child in 1772 whom she named William Bennetts Vine!
William Vine & Elizabeth Eva 3 Dec 1743 Edward was born out of wed lock
No, Edward WAS NOT born out of wedlock. What you need to be aware of is that the OPC transcribers work is to copy the dates 'as they appear' in the Parish Registers. Up until September 1752 the Julian style calendar was used but after that a change was made and we began using the Gregorian (new style) Calendar in England. Various parts of the World changed calendars at different times and in fact I think it was not until after 1900 in Russia. Prior to 1752 the years began on March 25th and ended on March 24th so any dates between January 1st and March 24th are actually at the END of the year. So in the case of Edward his parents were married in December 1743 and Edward was baptised in February 1743/4. He was not quite born out of wedlock but he was certainly an early arrival after the marriage!
I can not find Elizabeth death?
Another lesson for you - be aware of the variations in spelling .... even with a name like Elizabeth!!!
EliSabeth wife of William Vine was buried at Camborne 8th March 1746
Again, this is an 'Old Style' date so is at the end of the year and you will find that Elizabeth died just a few months after daughter Mary was baptised (16th November 1746).
Now, it looks possible that William Vine was baptised at Camborne in 1717 son of Edward Vine. There is another William baptised to Nicholas Vine in 1718 but I think son of Edward is more likely. But all this proves is that Edward was a Vine name. It still leaves us with a problem ..............
We still have nothing that answers the question of whether Mary Bennetts was the daughter of William and Elizabeth or the daughter of Haughton and Mary!
did not know about Calendar.BP: meant between 1740--1756 of Vine. Dose the spelling of Bennatts make the family stand out or not ? Vine & BENNATTS, Mary & William BENNETTS ? I will check out Haughton,s parents. Lyn
Hi Tc to find a link to Mary bennetts this is what I will do tell me if I going the wrong way 1st extend children of Marriage William & MAry Bennetts 2/ then find parents of Haughton Bennetts there is only 1 that I can see there and that is William Bennetts & Elizabeth John/Johns ( Haughton was BP 12 Jan 1734 s/o WM ) Mary Quintrall might be a worry.. what age did lady's marry back then? Focus being on the names Haughton, JENEFER Regards LYN
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 31, 2013 19:11:36 GMT -5
Dose the spelling of Bennatts make the family stand out or not ?
Not really, particularly back then. What you see in the registers is how the Vicar or Clerk chose to write the name and with many names you can find several children for one family with their surnames all spelt differently - Bennetts, Bennats, Bennatts, Benets etc.
what age did lady's marry back then?
Any time from around 16 to 70s or later. If there are children involved then I work on the basis that a woman would be age 48 at most when the last child is born and probably about 16 as the youngest for the first child. Women did marry in their 30s and 40s and then have one or more children but with the larger families the woman would have been in her later teens or early 20s.
There are many common names involved in the families of the two Mary Bennetts after they married. William, Elizabeth, Mary and the like are not much help in this case as both families used them. And the other names, particularly with William and Mary Vine, seem to come from the paternal side.
Our biggest problem I think is that images of the Camborne marriages from 1754 50 1837 are not yet available and with the earlier marriages the transcripts have not named the witnesses. If we had those images then the names of witnesses might offer clues and comparisons of signiatures would also be helpful.
At the moment we have nothing of help and no knowledge of any Wills that might be of use. I think the best bet for now is to work on another part of the family and come back to this problem some time later when hopefully a little more information might be available.
Thank you TC for your help Lesson well tort :-) one other thing I have been working on is the family of Thomas James B:abt 1797 & Anne Clifton Bp 18 Aug 1793 their children Mary Bp 30.may 1818 M: Henry Mankey/Mankee M;14.11.1841 Thomas Bp. 20.May 1820 M: Maria Veal/Veale William Bp :7 Jun 1823 Bur: 21.Dec 1834 Huel Kitty scarlet fever HENRY Bp;20.Aug 1825 John Bp.6 Oct 1827 Bur 23 May 1832 Huel Kitty Charlotte Clifton Bp: 4 Aug 1832 William Bennetts M: 31 Oct 1852 Phillippa 12 Nov 1836 M: Thomas Edwards There is a ? here to but I will get back to that another time (2nd Marriage wife Sarah) Now I am Having trouble finding any thing on HENRY try census death Marriages (would this fall in to the date of missing records from oPc?) may be Immigration not done these before were is the best place to look ? Regards Lyn
Hi Tc Mary Quintrell Married Haughton Bennatts Is Mary's Farther & Mother Richard Quintrell & Mary Turfailar Or Tarfailar M; 25 Feb 1722 Camborne Mary Bp: 24 Feb 1836 residence Roskear Croft miner Privately Regards Lyn