Hi TC i have been looking for BP. of Thomas James & Maria Veale M: 5.3.1843 Camborne children William James 1845 Elizabeth " 1849 Ann " 1851 Charlotte " 1854 Thomas " 1863 tried OPC & family search ? were else can I look ? regards Snap 17
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 11, 2013 14:36:01 GMT -5
As they were all born at Camborne it is likely they were baptised at Camborne or in one of the Non-conformist Chapels. I presume you have tried the Non-conformist records in the OPC database as well as the general baptisms database and not found them.
If they cannot be found in the OPC database or FamilySearch then it is unlikely you will find them at all just now. I have also checked some Non-conformist records that may not yet be on the OPC database without luck.
Unfortunately Camborne Baptism records from 1837 to 1889 are not currently available in any form outside of the Cornwall Record Office as far as I know. I am not certain but I don't think the LDS even have a film of those records yet.
For the time being you will have to rely mostly on the Census records. You may find birth registrations in FreeBMD but you need to be aware of the possibility of multiple births for the same name given James is not an uncommon surname.
1/? Maria Veal BP 1.4.1820 Camborne Mother Mary Father James Veal Husbandman when I fond Thomas James and Maria Marriage record Cambourne Marriage Register 1837-1844 Maria Veale & Thomas James M: 5/3/1843 it had B THOMAS VEALE on the side could this be Maria brother who has witnessed the marriage instead of her fathers name James? 2/? on Marriage record. James Veale Husbandman & Mary Sincock Sojourner (not permanent resident is this right ?) Census 1841 Camborne PakerLowen James Veal 45 Copper miner Mary " 50 MARIA " 20 ore dresser James " 15 William " 15 Thomas " 14 tin boy Ann " 12 ore dresser John " 5 on the same 1841 census direcly under Veal-- James family Tomas James 40 Ann " 45 (Clifton) Mary " 20 THOMAS " 20 Henry " 15 Charlotte " 12 Philip Male age 8 on later Census this is actualy Female Pillipa dress maker you were under the impresion that MARIA father was Thomas Veal SO I Just know I sould not ask this am I wrong again and your right :-) regards Lyn
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 12, 2013 3:17:14 GMT -5
Lyn - I have a copy of that marriage record but because of the source I am not at liberty to send you a copy. However I can explain what that 'B; means.
That same letter 'B' is entered twice on the marriage record - firstly above the name of the bride's father which is written as Thomas Veale and secondly above the name of the first witness which was James Veale.
At the bottom of the page is the following explanatation:-
B The word Thomas was written by mistake for James - this note was witnessed by Thomas James jnr and also by Maria James and was signed and dated by Hugh Rogers the Vicar
Hi Tc working on William Clifton & MARY BENNETTS the parents of Mary I had William Bennetts & Grace Vivian M: 24/2/1741 Their Mary Bp: 27/2/1742 But I have Had another look and came up with. Haughton Bennatts & Mary Quintrell M: 20 April 1755 Camborne
MARY Bp 19 April 1756 Anne 2 July 1758 HAUGHTON 26 April 1761 M: PATIENCE CLIFTON 15 Jan 1785 Joseph 23 Oct 1763 Joseph 1 Nov 1767 Jenefer 27 March 1771 There is one other Henry Bennetts & Hannah Harris Mary 18 Jan 1756 Henry 7 Aug 1757 Hannah 18 Sep 1763 Katherine 20 Aug 1765 MARY 31 July 1768 Father HENRY all other children had Hannah & Henry on BP So if this Mary belongs. may be Mary 18 Jan 1756 Died but not in Death on opc which leaves Haughton & Mary Quintrell as her parents ? James 21 July 1771 Regards Lyn
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 26, 2013 3:55:50 GMT -5
Mary Clifton (nee Bennetts) died in 1833 and was buried 19th June 1833. At that time her age was recorded as 78 which equates to a birth year of about 1754 or 1755.
Remember also that she may not necessarily have been born or baptised at Camborne. Check for any Mary Bennetts baptised at or in the proximity of Camborne and allow a date-span of about 1752-1758 and see what you come up with. The above is to try and allow for all possibilities with the prime being that her age may not be accurate in 1833. She was probably baptised at Camborne but you need to try and make sure there can be no doubt.
Hi Tc I have come up with 2 Bp of Mary Bennetts for 1755 1/ Mary Bennatts 23 March 1755 D/o William Jnr & Elizebeth Prideaux M: 5 July 1752 Camborne I think this Mary married William Bennetts in Camborne 21 Feb 1784 so that leaves her out 2/ Mary Bennetts of Gulval D/o Hannibal to far away
so that brings me back to Haughton Bennetts & Mary Quintrall seeing that their son Haughton married Patience clifton and My Mary Bennetts married a William Clifton brother's and sister's marring into the same family WHAT Do YOU THINK Regards Lyn
there is only one other Mary bp:23 march 1755 D/o William William And Elizabeth Prideaux And she Married William Vine 23 June 1780 evidence census 1841 to old Will's?I am at a lose were do I look :-)Regards Lyn
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 27, 2013 8:02:20 GMT -5
Well if this Mary was baptised about the same year as the daughter of Haughton then the 1841 Census cannot be qualified as 'evidence' of which one married William Vine. In 1841 ages only needed to be rounded, usually down, to the nearest five years and in any case you indicate that both Marys would be about the same age. You need to follow the children of the marriage to find clues that would correctly identify which Mary Bennetts was the wife of William Vine.
Thank you Tc The Children Of William Vine & Mary Bennetts Are William 1780,Jane 1782, Joseph 1784, Edward 1787 Zacceus 1791 James 1794, Elizabeth 1797 Mary been the Dau of William bennetts & Elizabeth Prideaux these Names fit more into that family. her Siblings , William, Jane, Joseph, Edward, Zaccheus, James, Elizabeth.
Children of Haughton Bennetts And MARY Quintrell Haughton ,MARY ,ANNE,Joseph, Joseph, JENEFER, Frances
The Children Of William Clifton & Mary Bennetts are a better match to the HAUGHTON family as well as Clifton Family Richard, William, Grace, MARY ,Henry, ANN, JENEFER ,Charlotte should I go more in to the William Vine Children ?? our will this be do it? Regards Lyn
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 28, 2013 0:42:17 GMT -5
The Children Of William Vine & Mary Bennetts Are William 1780,Jane 1782, Joseph 1784, Edward 1787 Zacceus 1791 James 1794, Elizabeth 1797 Mary been the Dau of William bennetts & Elizabeth Prideaux these Names fit more into that family. her Siblings , William, Jane, Joseph, Edward, Zaccheus, James, Elizabeth.
That is rather an interesting statement given that neither the OPC nor FamilySearch show any record of any Baptism for any Zaccheus Bennetts/Bennatts (var.) at any time. So Zaccheus could not have come from the family of Mary Bennetts! It is also interesting that in both the OPC and FamilySearch the name Zaccheus appears just once in the Vine family - 1791 son of William and Mary!!
And notable too is that the name Edward does not appear in the Bennetts family at Camborne. It does appear in the Vine family however. And then there is James which does not appear in either the family of William Vine and nor the family of William and Elizabeth Bennetts!!
Of the names you have quoted only William, Elizabeth and Jenifer (Jane) appear in the family of William and Elizabeth Bennetts and they are hardly unusual!
should I go more in to the William Vine Children ?? our will this be do it?
Seems to me that there is still more work to do yet before you can comfortably say just which Mary Bennetts married William Vine and which married William Clifton!
The 'standout' name is Zaccheus so it would be a very good idea to see if you can find a reason why a child was given that name. If it did not come from the Bennetts family and also not from the Vine family then perhaps it is a name from one of the maternal connections.
Where there are multiple families baptising children with similar names it is always useful to find at least one name that is unusual. It is that name that often provides the clues which ultimately identify correct family links.
In this case the name Zaccheus does not appear to come from the immediate families of Vine or Bennetts so it is also useful to have a 'backup plan'. In other words a second line of approach to the problem.
On the Bennetts side we also have a rather uncommon name - Haughton - so it might be interesting and informative to see if that name might help find some answers.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 28, 2013 1:53:55 GMT -5
I think you are getting yourself very confused here!
Mary been the Dau of William bennetts & Elizabeth Prideaux these Names fit more into that family. her Siblings , William, Jane, Joseph, Edward, Zaccheus, James, Elizabeth.
The children you list here as 'siblings' are exactly the same children you previously listed as children of William and Mary VINE!
Children of Haughton Bennetts And MARY Quintrell Haughton ,MARY ,ANNE,Joseph, Joseph, JENEFER, Frances
There was no daughter Frances at Camborne. In fact there was a Frances Bennetts baptised to Joseph and Catherine Bennetts in 1808 and they also had a son Haughton in 1798.
And perhaps more important is your inference that Mary Bennetts was a daughter of Haughton and Mary because of children Mary, Anne and Jenefer. If you take a close look at the children of William Bennetts and Elizabeth Prideaux you will find that they also named daughters Mary, Anne and Jenefer!!
And the final 'nail in the coffin' for the theory is that Haughton and Mary had two sons named JOSEPH with the first dying as an infant. And William and Elizabeth ALSO had two sons named Joseph with the first also dying in infancy!!!
I have so far been unable to find any link with the name Zaccheus which means that right now there seems to be no easy way to determine which are the correct parents for Mary Bennetts.
So don't simply choose one 'for the sake of it' as you could well be wrong. Seems there is still more work to be done to find the correct answer.
Sons 1/ Joseph BP: 23 .10.1763 & Bur: 27.12.1767 Camborne 2/ Joseph Bp: 1 Nov 1767 Camborne
Married: 20 Feb 1791 Joseph Bennetts & Catherine Freeman (Witness Richard Vincent & John Gribbell) Children: John BP:27 Jan 1792 Mary Bp: 22 Sep 1793 Catherine BP: 10.4.1796 HAUGHTON BP: 12 Nov 1798 Joseph BP:30 Jan 1801 James BP:4 Mar 1804 Frances BP:3 Dec 1808 JOSEPH Brother Of Mary Bennetts BP: 19 April 1756 :-) dose this do it??? regards Lyn