Post by allan1962 on Sept 12, 2013 12:36:42 GMT -5
Thomas Casley 1841-1924 and his wife Margery nee Thomas 1842-1918, both born in St. Just, are my great-grandparents.
1911 census states 12 children born alive, 10 still living, 2 died. My database has 11 children only. Thomas 1864-1943. Born in St. Just. Annie or Nanny 1866-after 1911. Born in Penzance. John 1868-1947. Born in Dalton-in-Furness. William Henry 1870-1936. Born in Dalton-in-Furness. Archelaus 1872-1939. Born in Dalton-in-Furness. Elizabeth Jane 1874-1948. Born in Dalton-in-Furness. Gabriel 1876-1877. Born in Dalton-in-Furness. Edith Ann 1878-after 1911. Born in Dalton-in-Furness. Richard 1880-1950. Born in Dalton-in-Furness. Alfred James 1883-1916. Born in Dalton-in-Furness. Evalina. 1885-1965. Born in Dalton-in-Furness.
Gabriel 1876-1877 was the only child in the database who died before 1911, therefore the missing child died before 1911. The missing child must have been born & died between two censuses as no other children are shown in the censuses. Searched COPC 1864-1871 & no baptisms at all were found. Searched St Just Bible Christian Circuit Baptisms 1860-1900 CD & found only Thomas's. Found some, but not all, of the remaining children's baptisms in Bible Christian Baptismal Register Book in Barrow Records Office.
Assuming that the 1911 census is correct, any advice re finding the missing birth would be much appreciated. Allan.
Checking FBMD, it seems it might not be too onerous a task to achieve a very Short List by matching up the Casley Deaths to Births in Lancashire & Cumbria, also in Penzance RD, then see if the children who died have a birth registration quarter that it was physically possible could have fitted in amongst your GGparents' children.
You may then, from that Short List, see a name that "belongs" in your family.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 12, 2013 16:49:57 GMT -5
That might be quite a challenge!
The births quoted are mostly very evenly spaced so it is difficult to pinpoint the most likely date to look for and with the first two at St Just and the rest all in Lancashire the odds would appear to be with the latter. But form the 1840s onwards I have always found difficulty with a lot of St Just births and I suspect there may be more Non-conformist registers that have not surfaced. I also now have a similar problem with Paul which tends to reinforce the possibility of Non-conformist registers that are either missing or have not yet been transcribed. I have had a look at the Lancashire OPC site for Dalton-in-Furness but there appear to be no Casley records at all. And FreeREG has also drawn a blank.
But if you have checked FreeBMD and not found that last name then I suggest that you might have to consider the possibility of a still-birth in which case it is possible there was no record.
Post by allan1962 on Sept 16, 2013 17:25:34 GMT -5
Thank you both for your advice/suggestions.
One person on the short list which I have drawn up is Mary Jane Roberts Casley, birth & death in England & Wales Free BMD Index in Penzance 4Q 1865 but I've searched without success for her family. Anyone know anything about her?
There was a male unnamed child's birth & death in Penzance 4Q 1864. Not much hope of finding his family.
The only possible child I found on Ancestry in the Ulverston Registration District was a Louis Cassley. I have left a comment on Ancestry that the name in the 1Q 1891 Index is not Louis as transcribed, but Laura Cassley, a relative of mine (first cousin once removed). I couldn't find a death record for a Louis.
NB:- My grandparents came from St Just to Dalton between 1866 (Nanny's birth) & 1868 (John's birth). In the 1871 census the surnames were still Casley as they had been in St Just. In the 1881 census the surname had changed to Cassley (both of my grandparents made their mark rather than signed their marriage certificate so probably couldn't spell & perhaps the enumerator was "flummoxed" by the Cornish accent). Just to confuse the issue, some relatives from St Just went to Barrow-in-Furness (about 4 miles from Dalton) & they retain the Casley name to this day.
Just a thought. My great-grandad Thomas was a very good cricketer & had the privilege of playing against the great W G Grace himself. Perhaps he added one to his score in the 1911 census!!!! If he did he's caused a great deal of trouble :-)