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Post by emdrekly on Jul 8, 2013 9:09:04 GMT -5
Greetings from sunny Penzance  I'm trying to find any details of the death of James Wallis (b.1860 in St Just - son of Richard Wallis, miner) he was married to Mary Jane Warren (b.1864 in St just - dau of Charles Warren, blacksmith) on 09 July 1890 at Wesley Rock, Heamoor, Penzance. James was a tin miner in St Just and later a diamond miner in Kimberly, S.Africa. Apparently at some point he had the St Buryan Inn but I have been unable to verify that (also any info appreciated). Anyway the last info I have which includes James is in the 1901 census - 22 Bosorne Street, 1, James Wallis, Head, M, 40, Tin Miner, St Just Cornwall / Mary J Wallis, Wife, M, 37, St Just Cornwall / Mary G Wallis, Dau, 5, St Just Cornwall / Florence M Wallis, Dau, 3, St Buryan Cornwall. By the 1911 Census his wife had remarried a chap called "Combellack" and they were living in Penzance. Any info would be greatly appreciated, it's likely that James returned to and died in Kimberly, S. Africa but I can't seem to find out for sure. |
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Post by londoner on Jul 8, 2013 13:33:10 GMT -5
From the Cornishman 15 Sep 1904 " on August 22 at Kimberley, South Africa Mr James Wallis of St Just age 44"
interestingly on the same day a James Eddy Wallis (late of Johannesburg) age 38 also died. I haven't checked yet but might assume it was a mining accident.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 14:16:07 GMT -5
Hello Londoner
It may well have been an accident as you say but the real killer in the South African mines was Phthisis due in a large part to the rock drilling and there were a lot of the Cornishmen in charge of one or more rock drilling teams.... they died very young and in large numbers
Lannanta
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Post by sue on Jul 8, 2013 15:11:31 GMT -5
Phthisis..... yes, the family story was that my GGfather died in a mining accident age c40, but when I eventually tracked down his death certificate & a newspaper death/funeral notice, he died of phthisis, having been in a "clean air" place for his health for a month (same sort of thing as TB clinics in the Swiss Alps etc I guess), having been a mine "engineer" in S Africa & the US since a teenager.
Now, James Wallis onetime publican....
I ran a search on the 1891 census for the Penzance RD (which includes St Buryan) for persons of any name giving their occupation as innkeeper.
20 hits; one of these for St Buryan, James White age 29 + wife Elizabeth 31, 2 children aged 6 & 5.
There are other names for this occupation that could be worth searching under; but then I thought, you probably already have James Wallis placed in 1891 – in fact he could be 1891 age “25” born St Just miner grandson to Elizabeth Williams age 78 at Letcha St Just, Mary 22 & John 3 months present; so 1881 perhaps age 20 with widowed mother Mary 63 born Ludgvan and brother George; 1861 5 months old at Stennack St Ives father Richard still alive, James Wallis' middle name Williams per baptismal record on OPC 3 December 1860.
On the West Penwith Resources website there are pages on Public Houses; searching for “Wallis” I only found John Wallish at Queen’s Square Penzance 1856, which would have come from a Trade Directory extract.
Others may have some further ideas where you might find evidence of a stint as a publican, but if not “in post” at the time of a trade directory or census, you may struggle....
Sue
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Post by londoner on Jul 9, 2013 4:45:20 GMT -5
According to Jim Hosking's Book of St Buryan there was a James Wallis at the Ship Inn which was run in the 1830s by Hannibal Harvey, the Josiah Searle, then Humphrey Humphreys (1870-s & 80s), Edwin Hutchings (good accommodation for tourists and stabling)then James Wallis, a Mr Bodilly in 1897 then George Hosken, and from 1908 Abner Grenfell, for about 30 years until succeeded by his son Jim in 1943.
You can find references to the Ship Inn in the Kelly's directories on the West Penwith Resources site but it does not mention James Wallis.
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Post by sue on Jul 9, 2013 8:59:12 GMT -5
Well, that's pretty good what Londoner has found for you. Armed with that information, I wonder if it is worth contacting the St Buryan OPC asking if she holds anything further at all on James Wallis, publican 1880/90s Ship Inn? www.cornwall-opc.org/Par_new/a_d/buryan_st.phpSue |
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Post by emdrekly on Jul 31, 2013 7:54:55 GMT -5
Firstly, may I say a big thank you to you all for the input - Proper job, me'ansom's! Re: From the Cornishman 15 Sep 1904 " on August 22 at Kimberley, South Africa Mr James Wallis of St Just age 44" That just HAS to be him (fingers crossed), the date of death and his age both fit. I can't even tell you how many times I have done random searches looking for info and came up with nothing after sitting up all night trawling through hits on Google, there are so many Wallis' and Warren's. I accessed some info via a South African site a few years back but it was rather vague at best and no one replied to my queries. I don't have the finances/time to research local sources like I used to... Thank you Londoner, my nan (maternal grandaughter of James), always said that James' death was a bit of a mystery and this info will mean alot to her. She was only 8 when her mother died of TB - many certificates, photos and other documentation disappeared when her father remarried, sadly. There have been rumours of James possibly being attacked or killed and disappearing out in S.Africa but I am not so sure. I tend to agree with you both Londoner/Sue, possibly a mining accident but more likely a case of Phthisis. After a lifetime of mining, 44 years old seems to be an above average age from what I've read. I will report back when I can track down a death certificate, if I remember correctly, a certificate would have also been issued here in the UK wouldn't it? I was unaware of these "clean air" clinics Sue, so that could be another thing to consider. As for the 1891 census, I've looked many times and come to the conclusion that James must have been away at that time in S.Africa. I found his wife Mary Jane resident in St Just who had a relative staying with her. Mary Jane's mother was an Angwin, I found their line on the "Hattam" site just a couple of weeks ago. St Just RD/Folio 180/Pg 6 40 Chapel Street, Mary J Wallis, Head, M, 27, St Just Edith Angwin,Cousin, S,19, St Just Lastly, the only info I have on them being resident in St Buryan is from their youngest daughter's birth/baptism records, she was born there in 1898 - Florence May Wallis. If it wasn't for this record then I would have wondered if them running the pub was a mistake. I have looked through Penwith Resources and read lots of other local books but no mention of them, nor can I manage to tie them in with anyone that may be a family member in St Buryan up to now. I will indeed try St Buryan OPC and thanks again for your time and input. |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 31, 2013 11:06:13 GMT -5
Probably only if issued through the British Consulate. It is more likely that the certificate would have been issued in South Africa. If you Google 'South Africa Death Certificate you will find some useful links including this one:- www.southafricanfamilyhistory.com/birth-marriage-and-death-records/Have a look at some of the others as well but a brief look suggests this one might be a good one to use. CT |
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Post by emdrekly on Aug 5, 2013 5:24:57 GMT -5
Thanks CT  |
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Post by emdrekly on Aug 5, 2013 6:15:52 GMT -5
Almost forgot to say... Found this on ROOTSWEB:
WALLIS~James~1859~St Ives~22/08/1904~Kimberley Hospital, Kimberley, South
Africa~~~WALLIS, Richard~Mary~Mary~A diamond miner; Death Notice Number
2380/1904.~CONTACT 123
This may/may not be who I'm looking for, the birth year and place of birth isn't correct from my records but it's close enough to warrant further investigation.
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Post by miffy on Apr 27, 2014 8:35:39 GMT -5
Greetings from sunny Penzance I'm trying to find any details of the death of James Wallis (b.1860 in St Just - son of Richard Wallis, miner) he was married to Mary Jane Warren (b.1864 in St just - dau of Charles Warren, blacksmith) on 09 July 1890 at Wesley Rock, Heamoor, Penzance. James was a tin miner in St Just and later a diamond miner in Kimberly, S.Africa. Apparently at some point he had the St Buryan Inn but I have been unable to verify that (also any info appreciated). Anyway the last info I have which includes James is in the 1901 census - 22 Bosorne Street, 1, James Wallis, Head, M, 40, Tin Miner, St Just Cornwall / Mary J Wallis, Wife, M, 37, St Just Cornwall / Mary G Wallis, Dau, 5, St Just Cornwall / Florence M Wallis, Dau, 3, St Buryan Cornwall. By the 1911 Census his wife had remarried a chap called "Combellack" and they were living in Penzance. Any info would be greatly appreciated, it's likely that James returned to and died in Kimberly, S. Africa but I can't seem to find out for sure. |
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Post by miffy on Apr 27, 2014 8:42:31 GMT -5
Hello from Australia
I also am looking for any information on the Wallis/ Dennis family from StJust Cornwall. My Great Great Grandfather was a Robert Wallis, came to South Australia as a minor,he married my GG Grandmother Annie Dennis and they had about 12 children some in the Moonta mines area, Daylesford Victoria, and finally Walhalla Victoria .
This is the resting place for Robert Wallis and other relatives.
Would love to swap any information.
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Post by londoner on Apr 27, 2014 12:57:31 GMT -5
Hi Miffy,
Some dates would be helpful as Robert was a very popular name in the Wallis family. CT is the expert when it comes to Australian records but I have done a bit on the Cornish end.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 27, 2014 16:07:35 GMT -5
Well .... unless Miffy has some information that is being withheld for the moment then this is another problem with some perplexities!  I have located the marriage of Robert Wallis and Ann Dennis in the South Australian records and have also located the births of 13 children in SA and Victorian records. That part is no great problem.  The problems begin when I start looking at Robert Wallis himself! In the marriage index it states that his father was a Thomas Wallis yet I find him dying at Walhalla in 1904 with parents recorded as JAMES Wallis and Ann Trembath. Checking for information on Robert Wallis of Walhalla produced a couple of online links that confuse matters more. Especially one that claims Robert Wallis, son of Thomas and Ann (nee Trembath) died at Walhalla in 1904 but that he had married a Sarah Hotchin!  For the time being I will allow that this last may be yet another errant garden path teaser! So, at least for now, we have Robert Wallis baptised at Madron 18th January to Thomas and Ann Wallis of St Just with the marriage of Thomas Wallis and Ann Trembath taking place at Sancreed 21st May 1831. Hmm - a Robert Wallis died at Elsternwick in 1941 age 84 meaning he was born around 1857. His parents are recorded as Robert Wallis and Jane Trembath but his birthdate precludes him from any connection with Ann Dennis. Yet another Robert Wallis died in 1909 at Buninyong age 58 with parents recorded as Robert Wallis and Jane Edwards. His birth being around 1851 could confuse him with our man at Walhalla however I think he may be the man who married Sarah Hotchin in 1873 with children born at Creswick. Whoever he was the man who married Sarah was born in Cornwall. Will see what develops from there. CT |
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Post by jogo on Oct 22, 2017 21:15:35 GMT -5
Has anyone solved the Robert WALLIS born 1852 and married to Annie Dennis 15 Aug 1874 Monta south Australia aND Robert WALLIS born 1852 married Sarah Hotchin 1873 Victoria Australia mystery as yet?.
Thanks
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