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Post by rogerC41 on Jun 28, 2013 23:27:16 GMT -5
Hi all.
This is the first time I have posted to the Penwith Genealogy BB, indeed to any BB, so here is hoping I get it (approximately) right.
In order to settle a nth-cousinly dispute I need to trace a Robert Curnow, details follow, back a couple of generations.
Details are mostly an amalgamation of data from the 1841, 1851 and 1861 UK censuses ,CT and a guess.
Name: Robert Curnow
Born : 1783 ~ 1786 ( most likely 1784)
Birth Place: St Ives (1861 census)
Died : nearby Penzance Sept, 1867
Buried: Ludgvan 4th Sept. 1867
Occupation : Farmer
Wife : Sarah
Address : 28 Newtown (Ludgvan) over the 20 years 1841 to 1861
Children : Robert (Jan. 1815), Andrew (Nov. 1817), Wilmot (Dec. 1820), Stephen (Dec. 1823) and Thomas (Jul. 1827).
My specific aim is to connect him to the line that runs:
Thomas Curnow (1588 -1643)
Robert Curnow (1616 - 1685)
Robert Curnow (1666 - 1744)
Robert Curnow (1694 - 1771)
StephenCurnow (1755 - 1837)
Robert Curnow (1805 - 1856)
Robert Curnow (1831 - 1916)
but any information at all gratefully accepted.
Actually best would be to show he is not connected to that line.
roger
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 29, 2013 2:52:15 GMT -5
Roger - the short version is that Stephen Curnow (1755-1837) and Andrew Curnow (1747-) were brothers, sons of Robert Curnow and Margery Lembry. This Stephen was, therefore, the uncle of the Robert in question.
CT
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Post by sue on Jun 29, 2013 4:40:00 GMT -5
Absolutely, Stephen Curnow 1755 - 1857 was uncle to the Robert Curnow of 1780s who married Sarah Roach.  I have a baptism 3 January 1746 Towednack for Andrew (available these days on OPC), father of Robert 1780s, and a burial for Andrew 14 October 1806 Ludgvan age 60 (OPC). Some of the birth dates for the line back to & including Thomas Curnow who died 1643 will differ according to one's own guesstimates where there are no yet found baptisms, as I expect you know Roger. May I say: beware of some of the Curnow family trees out there on the web! Erroneous assumptions/links have spread like wildfire via people simply copying/accepting at face value what others have published. A subject touched on many times on this board! (Same goes for many published family trees, but it's Curnows I've mainly been interested in.) Wills are a great source for linking people together; happily there are quite a few surviving wills for the people you are talking about. If you search this PG forum board for “wills” you will find advice as to where to find Cornish wills. Sounds like your cousin may have won the dispute! Sue |
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Post by rogerC41 on Jun 29, 2013 6:38:42 GMT -5
Thanks CT and Sue for the data. I had almost got there but was having trouble "fixing" Andrew in space/time.
No, no Sue I won the dispute (we call them discussions). My brother & "cousin" wished to be 3rd cousins.
Each had a great-grand father called Robert and therefore were sure they were 3rd cousins.
It didn't matter that it required one person to be simultaneously in Cornwall and NSW.
I was arguing for Nth cousins with N >= to 5; so I just squeaked in.
And yes, their being extra sure was backed up by a "published" tree on the web.
They were actually sure before there was a web.
Unfortunately I suspect it is going to be like Josephine Tay's "The Daughter of Time", next time we are all having a beer together they will be back to believing what they want to believe.
roger
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Post by sue on Jun 29, 2013 14:17:23 GMT -5
Such fun, "discussions"! I'd be fascinated to know which 2 Robert Curnows we are talking about, who are your & this "cousin"s respective GGfather(s!) - some of the chaps from this line went to Aus for a while then came back to Cornwall..... I did struggle a bit with some of the Robert Curnows myself when looking at them a couple of years ago, what with some of them wandering the globe rather than simply emigrating from A to settle in B. Took me a while to pin down for certain the Robert Curnow who was brother of my own GGfather Curnow, as there were several Curnows of similar age who emigrated from Cornwall to various places, and one who did at least 3 countries - US, Canada & South Africa - to my certain knowledge.  Sue |
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Post by rogerC41 on Jun 30, 2013 3:05:29 GMT -5
Hi Sue
The other Robert was Robert Curnow (1805-1856)
roger
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Post by sue on Jun 30, 2013 3:43:06 GMT -5
Ah, so we might perhaps be in the area of a NSW Strathfield person who named their house Chylasson then.  Interesting.... Sue |
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Post by rogerC41 on Jun 30, 2013 5:52:02 GMT -5
Only vaguely in that area.
He would be my second cousin twice removed upwards:
(if that is the same as my grandfather's brother)
and the grand-son of the Robert I didn't ask about.
roger
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Post by sue on Jun 30, 2013 6:21:06 GMT -5
Okay!
Sue
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