ELIZABETH ROWE, WHERE DID YOU GO?

[cornishmaid]

Hi all.
Can anyone help me find Elizabeth Rowe please? She was born c. 1844 in St Ives, daughter of Henry Rowe and Jane Uren. She can be found in every census from 1851 to 1881, but then disappears. I cannot find a death or marriage for her (nor a baptism come to that). The census details are as follows:

1841 - H0107/155/5; ED: 3; Folio: 32; P: 3; Nr. Chyancy
Henry Row, M, 25, Mariner, b. Cwll
Jane Row, F, 25, b. Cwll

1851 - H0107/1917 ED: 2f; Folio: 455; Page. 31; Sch: 52; Back Road
Jane Rowe, Head, M, F, 37, Seaman's Wife, b. St Ives
Elizabeth Rowe, Daughter, F, 7 Scholar, b. St Ives
Henry Rowe, Son, M, 4, Scholar, b. St Ives
John Uren, Father, M, 80, b. St Ives

1861 - RG9/1589, ED: 6; Folio: 3; P. 18; Sch: 5; Back Road
Jane Rowe, Head, Widow, F, 48, Fisherman's WO, b. St Ives
Elizth. Rowe, dau, U, F, 17, Student, b. St Ives
Henry Rowe, son, M, 14, Scholar, b. St Ives

1871 - RG10/2334; ED: 6; Folio: 14; p. 22; Sch 120, Back Road
Jane Rowe, Head, W, F, 57, Grocer, b. St Ives
Elizabeth Rowe, Dau, U, F, 27, Boot binder, b. St Ives
Henry Rowe, Son, U, M, 23, Boot and Shoe maker, b. St Ives

1881 - RG11/2341; ED: 8; Folio: 107; p. 7; Sch: 35; 1 Harrys Court
Jane Rowe, Head, W, F, 67, Grocer, b. St Ives
Elizabeth Rowe, Dau, U, F, 37, Seamstress, b. St Ives

1891 - RG12/1854; ED: 8; Folio: 96; P. 23, Sch: 127; Back Road (W)
Jane Rowe, Head, W, Female, 76, Grocer (Notem); b. St Ives

So, Elizabeth was with her mother Jane in 1881, but then disappears. I have had a look at the 1901 and 1911 census returns also, but cannot find her their either. If anyone could find her, I would be most grateful.

Elizabeth's brother Henry is also a bit of an enigma. On 29 August 1881, Henry married a Susan Johnson in South Australia. Did both Henry and Elizabeth travel to Australia together, leaving their mother behind? Did Henry go first, to be joined at a later date by Elizabeth? I cannot find any details of when Henry sailed to Australia, so cannot verify this.

Any help in finding Elizabeth and Henry would be very much appreciated x

[Cornish Terrier]

Well, hello old friend! I have to double-check who I am talking to now because, if you have not already noticed, you now have a namesake on PG - Cornish Maid!

I have checked the Census and see your dilemma and although possible it does seem strange that Elizabeth would go off and leave her mother at such a time. By that I mean that Jane was in her late 60s by 1891 and Elizabeth would have been late 40s.

I also checked the 1881 Adelaide marriage of Henry Rowe to Susan Johnson and I need to ask just how you know that it was 'your' Henry? The reason I ask is because there is a discrepancy in age. Your Henry was baptised 8th January 1847 and the marriage took place in August 1881 at which time Henry would have been almost 35. Yet the age recorded in the record is 32.
We all know about the problem with ages but I think where there is a discrepancy that we need to do some extra checking to make sure we do have the right person.

Tracking Henry and/or Elizabeth in the passenger lists is a little difficult at the moment because transcriptions for the South Australian Lists are still progressing through the 1860s. With a name like Rowe even a search of Trove would not be an easy one and in any case there is no guarantee that you would find what you want as not all arriving passengers would have been reported in the newspapers.

There is no marriage for Elizabeth in the SA Index either. And the only children I can find for Henry and Susan are of no help - Elizabeth Elsie born 1882 and Frank born 1886.

Although I am little sceptical about Henry there is a death record that is a possible match for him - Henry Rowe age 66 died at Wallaroo 8th November 1913. No parents names are recorded so it is only the age that is a match. And I would have to be a little sceptical of this one also given it appears Susanna died in Adelaide in 1899. Her abode at the time was Kensington which was also where the two children were born. It really is unfortunate that the SA Indexes are not as good as Victoria where you will generally find the names of parents recorded in the Indexes.

CT

[cornishmaid]

Hello there my old buddy I'm glad that there is still only one Cornish Terrier... as if there could be another! ;-)

I think I have now found the death of Jane Rowe (nee Uren), so am going to pay a visit to the St Ives Archive Centre this week if possible. The Barnoon Cemetery burial records are kept there, which might be helpful, but the main reason is to look at the obituaries to see if anything was recorded in the local newspaper. There is a small chance that her children might be mentioned.

Now, to Henry. I was contacted by a lady in Australia, who has been researching Henry, as he was her great grandfather. She has the family bible, listing his mother and father, and the two children; also written in the bible is: Henry Rowe, his book born in Decr. 25 in the year of our Lord 1847. Another discrepancy, as his baptism (kindly transcribed by your good self for the OPC database was on 8 January 1847.

Henry married again on 30 October 1902, to Caroline Mason, so I will try to get details of that marriage; there may be further details on age, family, etc.

My cousin in Australia says that Henry died in 1920 in Adelaide. Again, I will try to get more details.

Does this help at all?
RN x

[Cornish Terrier]

We have missed you around here but it is great to have you back.

This information is certainly helpful especially with the Bible. Now, by all means visit the Archives Centre and check information for yourself (and at the same time say g'day to Londoner! but I can help a little.

The record in the Barnoon Register tells us that Jane Rowe of Court Cocking age 88 was buried at Barnoon Cemetery 2nd October 1900 - Section M Grave 2G(?). In 1891 Jane was at Back Road (W)and her age recorded as 76 but that was incorrect as we know she was baptised 15th March 1812. The Burial details suggest that it is indeed your Jane.

After reading your updated information on Henry Rowe I have looked at the SA Index again and here is what I can give you about the two marriages:-

29th August 1881 - St George Church, Woodforde
Henry ROWE, single, age 32, son of Henry Rowe
Susan JOHNSON, single, age 28, daughter of Josiah Johnson
District Ade Book 128 Page 867

30th October 1902 - Residence of Frederick Steed, Norwood
Henry ROWE, widower, age 55, son of Henry Rowe
Caroline STEED, widow, age 49, daughter of John MASON
District Nor Book 213 Page 407

Children:-
Elizabeth Elsie ROWE
Born Kensington 10th December 1882
Father - Henry ROWE
Mother - Susannah JOHNSON
District Nor Book 295 Page 449

Frank ROWE
Born Kensington 22nd February 1886
Father - Henry ROWE
Mother - Susan JOHNSON
District Nor Book 369 Page 463

Deaths:-
Susannah ROWE
Age - 47
Residence - Kensington
Death - Adelaide 2nd October 1899
Relative - Henry ROWE (husband)
District Ade Symbol H Book 264 Page 200

Henry ROWE
Age - 66
Residence - Wallaroo
Death - Wallaroo 8th November 1913
Relative - (not recorded)
District Dal Symbol S Book 379 Page 118

I see that your cousin told you Henry died in Adelaide in 1920 so this Henry is probably another. Unfortunately my SA Death Index only covers up to 1915 so I can't check the other details for you.

Hope that lot is of some help.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

Just for something of added interest here are some details on Henry Rowe's second wife.

22nd September 1880 - Wesleyan Church, Norwood
Frederick Richard STEED, single, age 22, son of Frederick Richard Steed
Susan MASON, single, age 18, daughter of John Mason
District Ade Book 125 Page 330

Frederick Richard Steed Snr died in 1901 age 73 but there does not appear to be a death record for Susan's husband.

That is interesting! - When Susan married Henry Rowe in 1902 it was at the home of Frederick Steed. Clearly this cannot be Frederick Senior and she is recorded as 'widow' in 1902. And her son Frederick was born in 1887 so would have been just 15.

BUT - I wonder if there is an error in the Index? Perhaps that 1901 death is actually Susan's husband and the age should be 43 rather than 73. That makes perfect sense when you consider that Frederick Richard Steed, son of Frederick Richard Steed and Maria (nee Everson) was born at Adelaide 15th May 1858 which would have made him age 43 in 1901.

There were nine children to Frederick and Susan and the other interesting point is that when three of those births were registered Susan was referred to as 'Susan Gasquoine Mason'.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

Whoops! After deciding to add the information about Henry Rowe to my database I discovered that I had led you astray a little. And after looking at my last message I realised I had provided details of the wrong marriage to boot!

So let's fix it all up.

The information about Henry's first wife and the two children I think is all okay so all the problems should be with the second marriage. I do however have a little more to add about Susanna Johnson.

Susanna was born aboard the 'Caucasian' 24th March 1853 daughter of Josiah Johnson and Elizabeth nee Effield. (Keffield in one record) I am not yet sure where the family originated but another four children were born after arrival in South Australia.

According to FamilySearch Josiah Johnson (son of William) married Elizabeth Allen (daughter of Joseph Heffield) at Timberland, Lincoln, in 1844 so Elizabeth had been previously married. There is a marriage at Bourne, Lincoln 20th September 1840 for Elizabeth Effield and Charles Allen but that record gives Elizabeth's father as John. Unfortunately I can't find them in the 1851 Census at the moment so at the moment none of this can be linked to South Australia.

I might try and look at that a little more closely later on.

Moving on to the second wife of Henry Rowe. I got myself confused by the fact I was dealing with Frederick Richard Steed who had a son of the same name. The previous information I gave was a marriage for the son.

Frederick Richard Steed Junior married Susan Mason at the Wesleyan Church, Norwood 22nd September 1880

Frederick Richard Steed Senior (1st married to Maria Everson) married Caroline Steed at St Matthew Church, Kensington 6th December 1884 - Caroline was the elder sister to Susan and after marrying Frederick Steed she became her sister's step-mother-in-law!

And I can tell you that Caroline Mason was baptised at Gedney, Lincolnshire, 27th March 1853 to John Horth Mason and Susan (nee Templar). In actual fact it appears that Susan was actually born 'Temple'. John Mason was born at Quadring, Lincolnshire about 1812 and Susan at Long Sutton, Lincolnshire, about 1819.
Susan had been first married to a Joseph Clifton by whom she had one son, George, baptised at Gedney 23rd March 1845.

John Mason, agricultural labourer age 41, along with wife Susan, 33, step-son George Clifton, 6 and two daughters Elizabeth, 5 and Caroline 1 departed Southampton 4th December 1854 aboard the ship 'Norman' and arrived at Port Adelaide 7th March 1855. A further four children were born in South Australia.

I don't know if you want/need all of that but it does add a little to the picture.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

I have a little more on the Effield family for you.

Elizabeth Effield was baptised at Bourne, Lincolnshire 20th March 1822 to Joseph Effield and Susanna (nee Booth) who married at Bourne 10th December 1816.
Unfortunately Josiah is missing from home in the 1851 Census but I managed to find Elizabeth living with her widowed father, some siblings, and three children of her own.
I was able to cross-check this information with the South Australian marriages and found all three of those children married here.

George Johnson bp. 2nd March 1845 Bourne, Lincolnshire - married Elizabeth Ann Drakard at Adelaide 10th November 1870
William Johnson bp. 6th February 1848 Saint Mary le Wigford, Lincoln, Lincolnshire - married Annie O'Neill at Adelaide 3rd May 1880
Elizabeth Ann Johnson born about 1850 Bourne, Lincolnshire - married John Howard at Adelaide 5th November 1874

So Josiah Johnson and Elizabeth Allen, widow, daughter of Joseph Effield married at Timberland, Lincoln in 1844 but I am not certain about that first marriage for Elizabeth.

I also just noticed that Mary Effield, daughter of Joseph, married James Drakard at Bourne, Lincolnshire, 23rd July 1846. It looks extremely possible that there is a family connection with the marriage of George Johnson and Elizabeth Ann Drakard. And after checking the SA records again I see that Elizabeth Ann was born about 1847 and her father was James Drakard!

CT

[londoner]

You have been a busy little terrier. But you still haven't found the missing Elizabeth Rowe for Cornishmaid she must be hiding somewhere

[Cornish Terrier]

Well that is two of us that can't find her ....................... but what about you??

[Tonkin]

There was a Henry ROWE died in Kensington, South Australia, on the 14 December 1920.
Age given as 73 years and married.
May be the death of Henry ROWE mentioned above.

Roy ... from Down Under.

[Cornish Terrier]

Hi Roy - that sounds like it is probably the man under discussion. What is your source for that information? I only have SA deaths up to 1915.

CT

[cornishmaid]

Thanks all. CT, I have passed all the information to my cousin in case she doesn't have some of it. Yes, that is Henry's death. My cousin in Australia has a copy of the death certificate. Still no sign of Liz though, nor when Henry got to Australia. I'm definitely going to see if I can find an obituary for their mother Jane, in case it makes reference to the children.
Xx

[Tonkin]

CT.

Picked up Henry's death in the S.A. Death Indexes 1916-1972.

Roy ... from Down Under.

[Cornish Terrier]

Thanks Roy - I have the others up to there on CD but have not seen the later ones.

CT

[cornishmaid]

I'm afraid the Cornishman (thanks CT nor the Weekly Summary Newspapers hold any further clues about Elizabeth's whereabouts at the time of Jane's death. They both read more or less the same: "Rowe - Oct 1, at Court Cocking, St Ives, Jane, relict of the late Capt. Henry Rowe, 88." It looks as though I will have to purchase Jane's death certificate, to see who the informant was.