Warne and Mitchell

[Cornish Maid]

Hi I'm hoping to find someone with any info on Warne and Mitchell of Reawla Gwinear Cornwall
any help will be greatly appreciated
Thank you

[Cornish Terrier]

Cornish Maid - as with your other post a little more information please. Some forenames, dates and connections will give us a little bit to work with as well as some idea of exactly what you are looking for.
If we can establish one connection then we can help expand your knowledge as you identify more questions that need answers.

CT

[Cornish Maid]

Hi I'm looking for the Parents of Ernest Mitchell(c1884) of Reawla Gwinear I've found him in the 1911 Census With Tobias Mitchell(c1845) and Elizabeth Mitchell (c1845) It also said that Elizabeth and Tobias had only been married for 7 years.
In The 1901 census I found an Elizabeth Warne 57 Widow and an Ernest Warne 18 from Reawla Gwinear and Tobias married an Elizabeth Warne so I think Ernest is Elizabeth's Child from her first marriage but can't find anything to confirm this.
Thanks for your help

Cornish Maid

[Cornish Terrier]

Cornish Maid - this is a most frustrating problem to solve but I think I may have found something of use.

First of all I need to make a comment about the 1904 marriage of Tobias Michell.
There is a problem with this marriage that is not uncommon when dealing with Civil Registration marriages on FreeBMD. The marriage you refer to involving Elizabeth Warne is in the December Qtr of 1904 but if you take a close look at the list of names you will see that there are only FIVE names instead of Six!!

Elizabeth Ann BERRYMAN
Mildred HANCOCK
Tobias MITCHELL
Stephen RULE
Elizabeth Ann WARNE

Note that there are only two male names!! I have been able to determine that Stephen RULE married Mildred HANCOCK by searching the 1911 Census. But that means the wife of Tobias MITCHELL was EITHER Elizabeth Ann Berryman OR Elizabeth Ann Warne. And at the moment I have no way of determining just which is which.

However - part of the problem might be solved in another way.

Although I cannot find Ernest Mitchell or Ernest Warne in the 1891 Census I have managed to find something else that might help.

Ernest base son of Elizabeth Ann Michell of Reawla was baptised at Gwinear 21st December 1883

Now - I have worked it that Tobias Michell/Mitchell was the son of Tobias Michell and Grace Thomas who married at Phillack 5th September 1840. They also had a daughter Elizabeth Ann born at Phillack in 1851 and I suspect she might be the mother of Ernest Mitchell.
So although Ernest is recorded as 'son' in the 1911 Census I suspect he might actually have been a nephew of Tobias Mitchell by his sister Elizabeth.

I cannot guarantee any of this of course but it is something that needs to be considered.

CT

[Cornish Maid]

Thanks for your help I will go through all this again, it will be very interesting to try to get this one sorted. thanks again
Cornish Maid
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[Cornish Terrier]

I should also have mentioned that I can find no birth registration for an Ernest Warne/Wearn/Wearne between 1882 and 1886. Most strange given he appears in 1901 ...................

Hmmmm - but a sudden thought has just introduced a new twist to this tale! Why can I not find a birth record for Ernest Warne?? Perhaps the following, once again frustrating, marriage record might help provide the answer:-

Marriages - December Qtr - 1888
Redruth Registration District
Volume 5c Page 378
MITCHELL Elizabeth Ann
PASCOE Charles Henry
WARNE Simon

As you will note there is a name missing ... only this time it is a female name. However, it is much more interesting to note that there is a potential marriage here for an Elziabeth Ann MITCHELL to a Simon WARNE!! And the plot thickens even more ..............

29th December 1888 Gwinear by Banns
Simon WARNE of full age, widower, mason, son of Stephen Warne (dec.), farmer
Elizabeth Ann MITCHELL, of full age, spinster, daughter of Thomas Mitchell, carrier
Witnesses - Richard Williams, Hannah Kneebone

So - it would appear that the mother of Ernest Mitchell could not have been the sister of Tobias Mitchell but she may well have been a cousin. Simon Warne 'may have been' the father but I doubt it given he did not marry Elizabeth Ann Mitchell until four years after Ernest was born.

That gives me something more to work with so I will look at it some more and see if I can identify where Elizabeth belongs and how she might be related to Tobias Mitchell.

CT

[Cornish Maid]

Very interesting I have also just found the Simon Warne. I think it's going to take a bit of working out it's certainly got me confused! thanks again for your help Cornish Maid

[Cornish Terrier]

I have finally found Simon and Elizabeth Ann Warne in the 1891 Census!!! No sign of young Ernest Mitchell but ....

Ancestry had this family indexed as NAME .................. no wonder I could not find the blighters!!!

Time for a rest now and I will see what I can do with this information and try to build up the rest of the picture a bit later.

CT

[Cornish Maid]

Thank you, you deserve a rest so much info to digest
Cornish Maid

[Cornish Terrier]

Okay - I can now tell you about Simon Warne. Of course other than marrying Elizabeth Ann Michell there is probably no ancestral connection for Ernest Mitchell/Michell but knowing about him adds to the picture and, I hope, will lead me to correctly identifying Elizabeth Ann Michell/Mitchell.

Simon Warne was baptised at St Kew, Cornwall 10th April 1814 son of Stephen Warne and Barbara George who married at St Kew 9th November 1797. In 1891 Simon's birthplace is recorded as St Keverne but in every Census prior to that it was St Kew.
On 23rd October 1836 Simon Warne married Ann Bawden at Perranuthnoe but it appears there were no children from the marriage. I am not yet certain of Ann's parents but according to the Census she was born at Ludgvan about 1812/13. She may be the daughter of William and Ann Bawden bp. Ludgvan 9th August 1812 but I need to do some more work to confirm that.

Ann Warne of Rewala age 75 was buried at Gwinear 21st August 1888 and about four months later Simon Warne married Elizabeth Ann Mitchell as previously noted.

And now to see if I can identify Elizabeth!

CT

[Cornish Maid]

Don't know how you find all this out it would of taken me years! Really interesting info looking forward to finding out more.
Thanks for all the work you've done for me
Cornish Maid

[Cornish Terrier]

It was a matter of checking through each piece of information we had until I found something that looked like it might lead somewhere. I then checked back through the Census and checked each one to see if I could find the same family. Once I had established that I had probably found the correct Simon Warne I then started working on Parish Registers. The marriages from 1837 onwards gave me additional information that helped confirm what I found in the Census.

Of course that all started once I realised that Ernest Warne and Ernest Mitchell might have been the same person. :-)

Will try and sort out some more of the Michell/Mitchell side later tonight.

CT

[Cornish Maid]

Thank you so much
Cornish Maid

[Cornish Terrier]

My pleasure. I am trying to sort out a couple of issues with the functionality of the forum at the moment but will still try and get some more on the Michells later on.
I can tell you one thing - and that is that it is not going to be easiy once we try to get back earlier than about the 1830s. There appear to be some baptisms and possibly one or two marriages missing from the records I have available.
It may be that there are son non-conformist records that I don't have access to or it may be another problem but I will try and deal with it once I have the links back from Tobias in 1911.

CT

[Cornish Maid]

Hi Have managed to find an Elizabeth Ann Mitchell c1845 also from Gwinear Father called Thomas Mitchell and mother called Elizabeth Mitchell from Herland Gwinear so looking into it some more to see if she is the one who married Simon Warne and Tobias Mitchell.
Cornish Maid