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Post by short on Feb 22, 2022 18:08:08 GMT -5
CT- Thanks very much! I suspected that I was correct, but I always wonder when I see someone else's attributions.
As for Anne MICHELL, a search of the OPC parish records 1750-1770 has 4 baptised in the area, all in Gwinear or Camborne. She was otp in Camborne at marriage:
Date of baptism Age at marriage (1789) Parish of baptism Father’s name Mother’s name Other information 1760, 1 Mar 29 Gwinear Edward Mary 1760, 16 Mar 29 Camborne Thomas m. 14 April 1759 in Camborne; otp, labourer. Witnesses were: Stephen WILLIAMS & Johnson GLANVILL (Anne WILLIAMS) otp Twin, private baptism. Twin’s name was Grace. Both were ‘welcomed into the church’ April 13th. This couple had another Grace in 1769. 1766, 17 May 23 Gwinear William Sara? 1770, 30 Sept 19 Gwinear Edward Mary
I suspect that the second Anne MICHELL, born to Thomas and Anne WILLIAMS is the person who married John GLASSON in Camborne, again because of naming patterns and parish of baptism. Would it be odd for the wife to be 6 years older than her husband though?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 22, 2022 21:40:17 GMT -5
As yet I have not worked out which Anne Michell married John Glasson but I do know she was buried at Camborne 1st February 1810 and named as 'wife of John Glasson'. Beyond that I can only say that she was born no earlier than 1758 given that if born in 1758 she would then have been 48 when her last child was baptised in 1806. No, not unusual at all. But what you need to do to narrow down the possibilities as locate baptisms for any children of the marriage and then use a simple formula that I have for determining whether a child might or might not belong. As mentioned above Ann would have been about 48 when her last child was baptised and, except for about 2 exceptions I can recall, that is the maximum age I generally allow for a woman to be having children back then. On the other end of the scale I generally use about age 16 as the youngest a Cornish girl might have married back then although I think I have seen just one who might have been only 15. So gather the list of children you think could belong to a couple and then use the maths. Work on 16 years prior to the date of marriage for the latest the wife might have been born and then calculate from that how old the woman might have been at each date of baptism. (If the bride was age 16 at marriage then she could potentially have children for another 32 years when she would be age 48. But if she were age 47 at marriage at maximum she would have only 1 if any children at all.) That also gives you a date range to search for the mother's baptism so long as there was at least one child from the marriage. If there were no children then the woman could have been a 90 year old widow or perhaps even an aged spinster so you do need to have at least the one child involved. CT
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Post by short on Feb 24, 2022 12:47:41 GMT -5
Thanks for your thoughts. All four of the possible Anne MICHELLs (see above) could be the mother of John GLASSON's children, based on the maths. The first child was baptized in 1790, and the last in 1804.
However, I think I can eliminate Anne #1 from the list, as the same couple who were her parents (Edward & Mary) of Gwinear baptized another child named Anne (#4) in 1770.
Anne #2 is the only one baptized in Camborne, and at the marriage to John GLASSON she is listed otp. This Anne had a twin named Grace who died young, and later a sister named Grace. John GLASSON & Anne's youngest daughter was named Grace; neither of the other two possible families of origin for Anne had daughters named Grace.
I know it isn't proof, but I think it is the best I can do for now. Here are the details of John GLASSON and Anne MICHELL's children, for reference:
Father – John m. 4 July 1789 in Camborne; she otp, he sojourner; no witnesses listed Mother – Anne MICHELL Buried 1 Feb 1810 Camborne
Children: Anne b. 1790, d. 1795 Jenefer (Jane) b. 1791-92 John b. 1794 Robert b. 1796 Anne b. 1799 Elizabeth b. 1801 Grace b. 1804 d. 1805
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 24, 2022 13:21:59 GMT -5
The thing with 'of the Parish' can be tricky because that term generally meant that the person had been resident of the Parish for a certain time. I had one with the Eddy family just recently with a marriage at Helston (I think). The person was 'of the Parish' at the time of marriage but from memory was actually from St Buryan where they had been living less than a year before! And the other thing to be aware of here also is that Gwinear and Camborne are bordering Parishes and it was not unusual for a person born in one to be baptised in the other. The best way to solve the problem is to determine what happened to all the other possibles and see if you can cut the candidates down to just the one. Not an easy job by any means but it is definitely worth doing if you want to be sure of your work. I do it often and sometimes chase families for days all over the County until I can eliminate all those who could not possibly be the person I want. The other term I work by is 'if something doesn't seem right then there is a very good chance it is not right!' CT
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