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Post by genie on Feb 11, 2013 10:10:06 GMT -5
Ancestry has an Edwin Truan, port of arrival Southampton.Will someone be able to tell me where he was heading to? I am hoping that is was Camborne.Edwin's birth was in 1872.
There are 2 Mr E Truan's as well heading for Southampton,but they may be an Ernest Truan,
I think that the William E Truan,(Plymouth)is most likely a brother to Edwin. I am sure that I have that info somewhere.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 11, 2013 20:53:06 GMT -5
Hi Genie - I think you are going to be out of luck here. There appear to be three names of possible interest but the details in the index do not match what you have told us.
Edwin Truan - arrived 27th April 1907 Southampton.
He was age 20 so born about 1887 which is far too young to be your man.
Looking at the image and the age 'might be' 30 but it is difficult to tell. Edwin was going through to Redruth.
There was also a Henry Truan on that voyage. Henry was age 29 and heading for Penzance.
Mr E Truan - arrived 27th December 1901 Southampton.
No age recorded for this man and no destination other than Southampton but he had come from Cape Town.
Mr E Truan - arrived 16th September 1913 Southampton.
He was age 47 so born about 1866 which is far too old to be your man.
Also coming from Cape Town but it appears he was a native of Switzerland so certainly not your man.
CT
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Post by genie on Feb 17, 2013 13:31:41 GMT -5
Thanks for that Cornish Terrier.
Edwin marries Caroline Brandt in the US and he is called Edward in the 1900 census.I have the marriage details but of course there aren't any parents names!
Then Edwin appears in Cornwall and marries Hilda Vivian 1908 in Camborne and he states that he is single when he marries Hilda. In the 1911 census Hilda is living with her parents and her daughter but no sign of Edwin. Edwin dies in 1912 in Camborne.
I am pretty sure that Edwin in the US and Edwin who marries Hilda is the same person.
Edwin goes to the US in 1907 (he was naturalised in 1898.)
Can't find record of a divorce of Caroline Truan.
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Post by sue on Feb 18, 2013 7:27:58 GMT -5
Hi Genie
OPC has Edwin Thomas Truan miner as age 32 at Camborne 1908 marriage to Hilda.
1900 US has Edward Truan married to Caroline, stepson August Brandt, as a farmer in Colorado, age 37.
If the marriage record you have 1890s U.S. is Edwin T Truan to Caroline, then this is a chap pretty flexible about his age!
Sue
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 20, 2013 3:38:07 GMT -5
Genie - I very much suspect that you might have two men confused here.  I also suspect that it may take me a little while to sort them out and at the moment I am a little tight on that resource due to the fire situation here. I am just back from a three day deployment and conditions suggest there may be more to come. Will try and help find some solutions for you as time permits. CT |
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Post by jan57 on Feb 20, 2013 17:34:05 GMT -5
There is a Mr ET Truan leaving Liverpool on the 25 Jan 1911 sailing on the Burutu to Ghana, the original image states he's a miner but gives no age , This may be a possible for your man
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Post by genie on Feb 20, 2013 17:37:14 GMT -5
Edwin Thomas Truan was born in the Dec qtr 1872 thus making him 36 in 1908. Therefore he lied about his age when he married Hilda Vivian. Edwin was living in Trevenson Street,Camborne where his parents lived when he married.
Ellis Island : In 1907 he was going to Bisbee, Arizona (he had a brother who lived there) and Edwin's age was 37, he was single and an Amerian citizen. Naturalisation -Clear Creek County Court,Colorado,1894.
Marriage: Edwin Truan of Floyd Hill,Clear Creek County,Colorado marries Mrs Caroline Brandt October 1894. Both had been married before.
I haven't been able to find a 1st marriage for Edwin.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 20, 2013 19:08:31 GMT -5
It is useful to check the Census records in cases like this. In 1900 Edw ard and Caroline Truan were living at Clear Creek, Colorado. Edward Truan gave his birth as September 1862, England, and stated he was 37. He also stated that he was naturalised in Pennsylvania in 1885! Looking back through your posts I note that you did say you had seen this Census but it appears you did not note all of the information it contained. In your most recent post you say that 'your' Edwin/Edward was naturalised at Clear Creek, Colorado in 1894 yet the 1900 Census for Edward and Caroline states naturalisation for that Edwin/Edward took place 9 years earlier. It really is difficult to see how the two could be one and the same man!  CT |
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Post by sue on Feb 21, 2013 6:51:57 GMT -5
I see the Truan~Brandt marriage now, at image 86 1894 in the Clear Creek County Marriages; & a naturalisation in Clear Creek for an Edwin Truan a couple of days beforehand per Colorado DPA index. If it is the case that these Ed Truan persons are one and the same, (the chap back in Camborne marrying 1908 & the chap marrying 1894 Clear Creek), the 1900 census statements were an entire knowing, large, pack of lies!  And at the 1894 marriage Ed would have been a 21/22 year old, already widowed, marrying a lady aged 47 with a 10 year old son. Wow! It occurred to me that Caroline does not sound entirely Swedish.... And the closest I have come to finding Mrs Caroline Truan, per 1900 born Sweden , in 1910 is Carlina Brandt in Idaho Springs age 62 married born Sweden immigrated 1883 son Charles A Brandt age 32 immigrated 1883 present. Son does not match 1900, this is a different family... Ed Truan's stepson Augustus born Colorado marries in 1914 per Colorado DPA & can be seen 1920/30 with wife Gwendolin & children, & I think as a single boarder in 1910. But those entries give up no clues.... Sue |
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Post by genie on Feb 21, 2013 13:14:52 GMT -5
CT-At the time that I looked at the 1900 census I did 'note' all of the information about Edwin Truan, and I still think that this is the same man,because it certainly would be a coincidence if there was an Edward Truan marrying Carolina Brandt in Clear Creek County as well as an Edwin Truan. She would have been a busy lady and would have remarrred pretty quickly!
I can't find him or Caroline in other census's.
I think that he changed his age because she was that much older than him. People lie in census; in the Uk some called their nationality -Jedi!
Jan57-Thank-you regarding the E T Truan-Ghana information and Sue-like you,I have looked for Carolina in other census but couldn't find her although Augustus her son turns up in one but that is no help to me.
I wish that I could find the other marriage for Edwin unless that is a lie as well.
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Post by sue on Feb 21, 2013 13:27:49 GMT -5
Hi Genie If this be just the one Ed, methinks he'd have had no qualms fabricating a non-existent previous marriage!  Sue |
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Post by genie on Feb 21, 2013 15:54:26 GMT -5
Hi Genie If this be just the one Ed, methinks he'd have had no qualms fabricating a non-existent previous marriage! Sue If he could be found in another census as Edward Truan it would help.Let alone a 1st marriage. |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 22, 2013 5:33:50 GMT -5
Genie - I am still working on the premise that we are dealing with two different men and I really do think that you should do the same until proven otherwise. And you need to start with the information provided on the 1900 Census where Edward Truan states he was born September 1862. I must admit that I made an error when I quoted information from that Census - in fact Edward said he arrived in 1885, that he had been in the US for 14 years and that he was now Naturalised. You keep saying that you would like to find him in another Census and that you would like to find that supposed first marriage. Once again the 1900 Census must be your starting point. The very first thing to note is that Edward/Edwin was living in Colorado. Unfortunately that is one of the States for which not much information is available so you have to try and find other ways to find what you want. If Edward/Edwin had arrived in 1885 as he said then it is possible he had spent much, if not all, of that time in Colorado so that is where you should start looking for the first marriage. Fortunately marriages are now available although there is no index so you have to browse through the images. If you convince yourself that there is just one Edward/Edwin without following and checking out all possible leads then you will drive yourself insane!  So start with the 1900 Census and all the information it contains and begin by accepting that all of that information is accurate, or at least close to accurate. CT |
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Post by sue on Feb 23, 2013 8:14:14 GMT -5
I have an interest in Colorado, as it was the chosen home of my GGfather. I have previously searched the state Colorado DPA online archives accipiter.state.co.us/archive/publicrecordsearch.doand found bits of interest. They acknowledge the records accessible via online search are far from complete. Although I have previously seen and searched various newspaper entries etc via digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/genealogy/I have just come across an index to marriages here which I don't think I have previously seen. I think this throws up the same Truan marriages as the DPA index..... This PDF marriage index says in its intro that it covers all known Colorado state-wide marriages 1858 – 1939. It shows 6 Truan marriages; 122 for Edwin X. Other than the Edwin Truan~Mrs Caroline Brandt 1894 marriage, within these and also scrolling the "T...." names, the only vaguely similar name I can find is Edwin S True 1893 Boulder to Lizzie Wellman – but there are lots of Trues in Colorado so I would have thought it is likely an accurate name recording. Sue |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 24, 2013 1:05:29 GMT -5
Thanks Sue - that 'suggests' perhaps any previous marriage for Edwin/Edward was elsewhere but we are also dealing with 'all known marriages' within that period.
We still have the important information stating that Edwin/Edward arrived in 1885 and by 1900 had been in the US for 14 years. There is a lot of territory between his probable arrival point and Colorado and currently only a relatively small percentage of recorded marriages are available online.
I also think we should not ignore the following which was posted by 'jan57' on February 21st.
We know Edwin Thomas Truan went to Arizona in 1907 but he had to be back in time to marry Hilda in 1908. We also know from the 1911 Census that he had one at least one child - Marion born about 1910. Marion is probably Hilda Maria but I think he may have had one more.
Hilda Maria daughter of Edwin (miner) and Maria Truan of Wheal Gerry baptised 7th July 1909 at Camborne
Edwin William Truan of Gerry Lane age 6 months buried 22nd March 1911 at Camborne (born September Qtr 1910)
Edwin Thomas Truan was not present at the 1911 Census so I suspect he may well have been the Mr ET Truan heading for Ghana in January that year.
So we now have more arrivals to check - late 1907 or 1908 prior to the marriage and then 1911 or 1912 prior to his death.
CT
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And at the 1894 marriage Ed would have been a 21/22 year old, already widowed, marrying a lady aged 47 with a 10 year old son. Wow!
