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Post by myghaelangof on Oct 26, 2007 13:15:04 GMT -5
Hi Trencrom, only 4 persons listed for Morvah in 1641: Johes Lanion Barnardus Laity Ricus Hawwis & Robtus (?) Osborne
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 28, 2007 12:14:00 GMT -5
Very interesting and I am thinking this information may become quite useful when I get the chance to look at Morvah again.
I think the 'odd man out' here is 'Riccus Hawwis'.
Laity, Lanion and Osborne are names I am familiar with in Morvah but ...
Thanks Mike, will work on this some more as I get the chance.
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Post by trencrom on Oct 29, 2007 21:54:32 GMT -5
Thank you very much for this Mike. I am wondering iif "Hawwis" is actually "Harris" -- I say this as there was a Richard Harry in the parish at the time, and I have seen "Harry" rendered (even wrongly) as "Harris" in Penwith records. Robt Osborne is certainly a puzzle. I am not aware of any other records for a Robert O. in Morvah at that time. There was though a Raphe Osborne who I would have expected to have seen there.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 30, 2007 10:02:16 GMT -5
Trencrom - I believe you may be right in what you say here and it certainly makes sense.
It appears (?) that Mike may have had some difficulty with the Osborne entry also in which case Raphe may be a possibility.
Will look at this again along with my other Morvah data.
Ian
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Post by myghaelangof on Oct 30, 2007 17:50:40 GMT -5
Ian, Trencrom,
I've been looking at these names again and concur that the final one listed in Morvath is Ricus Harrie (comparing 'r' to the end of Sennar, and 'e' to the end of Osborne)
Mr Osborne's xn name isnt Robertus.. poss Radus? or could it be Rafus? I'll let Ian have another look at his copy. I'm off to pack my bags - going to St Just tomorrow..
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 31, 2007 8:30:16 GMT -5
Much of this is very difficult to read (and my eyes are not what they used to be). The first three surnames are definately Lanion, Laity and Osborne. The remaining name, although difficult to read, certainly appears to end in 'e' (the old 'backword "o"'). I am happy with 'Harrie' on this one. Now for the Christian names. Working with the 1641 Protestation Return for Morvah to try and decipher these. Believe I can agree with 'Bernard Laity' and he was certainly at Morvah in 1641. Although I cannot make it out well enough at the moment the Lanion 'could' be John given there was only one Lanyon (John) who signed the Protestation Return and this John was a Constable of the Parish. But there is something in the writing that I am not happy with. Unfortunately it is the Christian name part that is most faded in my copy and I am not able to enhance it enough at the moment to decipher it properly. But making comparisons amongst the four names I have some concerns. When I look at the Osborne entry it looks more to me that the name may be 'Johes' (John) and there was a John Osborne in Morvah at the time. Will try to look at this more closely when my eyes are better and, perhaps, in daylight which 'may' help.
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Post by myghaelangof on Nov 3, 2007 6:17:08 GMT -5
Cornwall Military Survey of 1522 & Tinners Muster roll circa 1535 I was looking through T L Stoate's transcript of this yesterday and found the following that might be of interest to Mark Trengove and Ian Trewhella:
Hillarie Parish 1522 survey: Ralph Trewhyla and John his son: value of goods £6-13-4
1535 Tinners roll: Sent Uny by Redruth: Thomas Trengove a sling bag
Richard Trewhela and Henry Oppy a whole harness and their servants William, a bill sling, and Richard, a bag.
St Erth John Trewhela and John his son, a whole harness, plus their servants Richard Ra. (?) & Alexander, a sling bag
I was only looking at Penwith but had a quick glance at Breage and found John Trengove with a bill.
One thing I have noticed on the 1500's is the fluidity of surnames. I think some stuck to the next century, and others were changed.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 3, 2007 12:53:52 GMT -5
Thank you very much for this information Mike. I think I had some of it but I do believe you have been able to provide some additions for me to work on. Problem will be to fill the gaps from 1535 to 1582 at St Erth and also to determine the connection back to 1522 at St Hilary. I am thinking that the senior Joihn at St Erth in 1535 might well have been the sone of Ralph of St Hilary in 1522. The time-lines and, apart from Ralph, names certainly fit and it might well be that these are my direct ancestors. The Redruth entry is, at this point in time, a different family of similar name. It is possible there is a direct relationship but I have always been more inclined to the idea that the early Redruth family was descended from those at St Enoder. I am still undecided on this so will have to 'mull over' the information and reconsider many things. Should you come up with any further information I would greatly appreciate it. Ian
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Post by marktrengove on Nov 4, 2007 4:00:11 GMT -5
Thanks for the Trengoves in 1535.
These are very interesting! John at Breage makes sense, and reinforces other information from Surveys for a place called 'Trengove' in Breage.
However, the Thomas (of) Trengove at Redruth does not yet fit anywhere.
Mark T
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