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Post by allan1962 on Nov 23, 2012 14:50:23 GMT -5
My great grandfather Thomas Casley b abt 1841 m Margery Thomas, b 10 Jan 1842, on 05 Jan 1864 in St Just. I am researching their ancestors. I've found some but am unsure if they are the correct ancestors.
Thomas & family came to Dalton-in-Furness, where I live, in about 1867 when the tin mines were failing.
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Post by Tonkin on Nov 23, 2012 17:26:30 GMT -5
Welcome to Penwith Genealogy Allan. Hope you find your correct ancestors. Roy ... from down under.  |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 24, 2012 4:47:29 GMT -5
Allan - I have done a little research based on the information you have supplied and I believe Thomas Casley and Margery Thomas to be the following:-
Thomas Casley born 1841 St Just (age 5 mths in 1841 Census) son of Archelaus Casley and Thomasine Quick who married at Ludgvan 16th June 1827.
Archelaus Casley was baptised at St Just 28th July 1802 son of Archelaus and Catherine but I have not pursued the family further to date.
You need to be aware that some records for the family of Archelaus and Thomasine show the father as Hercules.
Margery Thomas - I have not found Birth or Baptism records for her so do you perchance have a birth certificate? Or do you have the information from another source?
Parents were William Thomas and Elizabeth Trezise who married at St Just 2nd April 1831.
CT
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Post by white on Nov 24, 2012 10:05:51 GMT -5
I think I can cover Margery's ancestry and many more line.
Most associated with my tree.
Roy on Top
Allan do get in touch.
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Post by allan1962 on Dec 19, 2012 16:55:34 GMT -5
Cornish Terrier,
Thank you for your reply. Sorry not to have responded before now.
Your data is identical to that I have. I'd found Thomas aged 5m in the 1841 census. I ordered a birth certificate giving 01 Jan 1841 as his date of birth with parents Archelaus Casley & Thomasine Quick. GRO searched a year either side of that date but found nothing. Perhaps his birth was not registered. Can't find his baptism either. I think they were Bible Christians, at least some of the Dalton ones were.
I can't find out anything about Catharine the wife of Archelaus Casley bap 10 Nov 1764.
I have Margery Thomas' birth certificate. She was born on 10 Jan 1842 at Truthwall, St Just. Her parents are as you know, William Thomas & Elizabeth Thomas formerly Tresize.
Allan.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 19, 2012 23:19:18 GMT -5
Allan - are you suggesting that you think your Thomas was not the son of Archelaus and Thomasine?  In my opinion that is exactly who he was. 1. The 1863 marriage record shows that Thomas was the son of Archelaus Casley, miner 2. In the 1881 Census you will see that the fifth child was recorded as 'Harckless' which is no doubt the interpretation the enumerator arrived at for 'Archelaus'. I have also not been able to find a marriage for the earlier Archelaus and nor anything about his wife Catherine. At least not yet! CT |
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Post by white on Dec 20, 2012 9:30:27 GMT -5
Allan,
I have sent you various files and concur with CT.
Please let me know that you receive them.
RW
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Post by allan1962 on Dec 20, 2012 12:43:50 GMT -5
Quote "Allan - are you suggesting that you think your Thomas was not the son of Archelaus and Thomasine?"
CT - No. I'm certain that Thomas was the son of Archelaus & Thomasine. It's just that I've been going through the tree trying to obtain positive evidence of the facts given in it; some were obtained from third parties. Thomas' birth or baptism certificate is what I am searching for but nobody can produce either of them. Sorry to have given the wrong impression.
RW - Files received. Have just e-mailed a response.
Allan.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 20, 2012 22:25:37 GMT -5
Allan - I believe I have been down this path before with Thomas. But I just tried again to see if I could find anything but again without success.  I searched the original images of the St Catherine's House Index for the March Qtr of 1841 but found absolutely nothing. It is possible that his birth was registered later because it took time for the authorities to recognise and then deal with the problems of delayed registration. Fines and other penalties were gradually introduced to ensure registration was completed within a certain time-frame. If the birth was actually registered then it is also possible that, as above, it was later in the year and in that case it might be a case of the entry being missed in the FreeBMD indexing. It is equally possible that the birth simply did not get indexed or even that it was never registered. Unfortunately I have more than one of these in my own families. I also searched the St Just Parish Register for the entire year of 1841 and found nothing and so far nothing found in the Non-conformist records that have been processed by the OPC. What we do know is that at the time of the 1841 Census Thomas was age 5 months. That Census was taken in June so we are looking at a birth in January 1841. But I also note that I do not have baptisms for any of those Casley children born from 1841 to 1848. I have baptisms for those before 1841 and also for Elizabeth Ann in 1852 but none of those in between. This is another problem I have encountered with other families all basically during that same time-frame. CT |
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Post by allan1962 on Dec 21, 2012 13:03:19 GMT -5
Birth certificate of Archelaus Casley 03 Feb 1843 attached. My tree shows the following baptisms for the 11 children of Archelaus & Thomasine Quick:- John Casley 17 Mar 1828 source Family Search father Archilaus. Thomas Casley 15 Jan 1830 source Family Search. Johanna Casley 15 Jan 1832 source Family Search father Hercules. Archelaus Casley 09 Mar 1834 source Family Search. Mary Jane Casley 26 Jul 1836 source IGI Nanny Casley 17 Feb 1839 source IGI father Hercules. Thomas Casley b 1841 the elusive Thomas. Archelaus Casley 09 Mar 1843 no source but note same day & month as Archelaus 1834. Nancy Casley no bap but born 12 Mar 1846 with no source. Richard Casley no bap but born 05 May 1848 with no source. Elizabeth Ann Casley 08 Jan 1852 source Family Search. Many thanks to yourself & other members for helping me validate the sources in my tree, & this may be a good time to apologise to those members who replied if I did not respond to them. I posted this thread in two areas of the forum when it should have been in this one. CT has kindly moved the posts to St Just Journeying. Seasons greetings to all, Allan. Attachments:
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Post by allan1962 on Dec 21, 2012 16:08:28 GMT -5
I attach a newspaper report of my great grandparents Thomas Casley & Margery Thomas' golden wedding in 1914 which may be of interest. Attachments:
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Post by allan1962 on Dec 21, 2012 16:28:08 GMT -5
Further to my last post, I attach a group photo of my great grandparents' golden wedding in 1914. The names that we know are as follows:- Back row: Evalina Casley, ?, Lizzie (w of Richard Casley), ?, Elizabeth Jane Casley, then ?perhaps her husband Alexander Dawson Middle row: Old Tom (because his son was Young Tom!) Casley, Margery Thomas, Grandma Phizacklea (my maternal grandmother) Front row: : ?, ?, Violet Cassley (Old Tom's granddaughter) Attachments:
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Post by allan1962 on Dec 21, 2012 16:40:52 GMT -5
I mentioned earlier that I have Margery Thomas' birth certificate so I'm attaching the same. I wasn't sure then whether attachments were allowed. Attachments:
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 21, 2012 21:12:14 GMT -5
Allan - many thanks for the additional information and attachments. They will be of help in identifying other links. Yes, attachments are allowed (max 1Mb) but you do need to be very careful that you are not infringeing Copyright. I don't see a problem with what you have supplied but please check documents, photos etc. for copyright notice before publishing anything.  CT |
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Post by allan1962 on Dec 24, 2012 7:29:01 GMT -5
Now have birth certificates for Nanny Casley 14 Mar 1846 & Richard Casley 05 May 1848. I had sources for neither (see above). Will send to anyone interested.
Allan.
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