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Post by myghaelangof on Dec 7, 2012 20:45:16 GMT -5
Trying to trace a William Carnarthen who moved to Phillack prior to 1650 from the Illogan area. Can anyone help locate this chappie? His first known child in Phillack, with Katherine, was baptised in 1658. The third child was baptised Jasper, and in 1664 the hearth tax return states "2 hearths, 1 stopt up and now John PHILLIPS" tHANKS mIKE
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 7, 2012 23:44:14 GMT -5
Mike - I do not currently have any information that would identify William but you may perhaps have inadvertantly identified his wife Katherine! All I know of the Canarthen family begins with William and Katherine but your query now gives three pointers to Katherine's possible identity. 1. the Hearth Tax with mention of John Phillips 2. William Canarthen moves to Phillack where ensuing events occur 3. Jasper is a Phillips name with Jasper Phillips being Rector of Phillack Jasper was a son of Gregory Phillips (Rector of Phillack) and his wife Anna and amongst other children of Gregory was son John (1632) and a daughter Katherine (1628). If we can find the marriage of William Canarthen (and the bride's surname is recorded) I suspect we may find that she was the daughter of Gregory Phillips! CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 8, 2012 4:04:32 GMT -5
The abstracted Will of Gregory Phillips (Kathie's Wills vol.14) is interesting ................. if you read between the lines! Gregory Phillips was buried at Phillack 19th August 1858 and his Will (written 10th July 1658) was proved three weeks later on September 11th. From the baptism of the first known child or William and Katherine Canarthen we surmise that their marriage occurred sometime before 1658. However as the baptism of son William occurred on 4th January 1658 (old style) the marriage may have taken place almost anytime up to that particular date. (I am sure we are by now all familiar with the scenario of a baptism occurring within months, and sometimes just weeks of a marriage! ) The only child of Gregory Phillips for whom I have a confirmed marriage prior to his death is daughter Anna whose daughter is mentioned in his Will. Son Jasper received 'my best and greatest brewing pan' - we know he was later Rector of Phillack but I have no evidence as yet that he married. Wife Anna and son Nicholas were executors and residual legatees with the remaining bequests as follows:- daughter ANNA for a legacy 1 pounddaughter JOAN for a portion 5 pounds daughter KATHERINE for a legacy 1 poundson RICHARD for a portion 12 pounds son JOHN for a portion 12 pounds son THOMAS for a portion 12 pounds granddaughter ANNA ORCHARD for a legacy 5 poundsrest of grandchildren 5 shillings apiece John ORCHARD, clearke, Vicar of St Kew married Anna PHILLIPS 13th October 1641 at Phillack and daughter Anna was baptised at Phillack 21st July 1642. I suspect the 'rest of grandchildren' are probably also children of John and Anna Orchard. A Maria daughter of John Orchard was baptised at St Kew 13th March 1643(os) and FamilSearch shows the baptism of a William son of Johanes Orchard at St Kew 30th November 1658 but the St Kew PR is in an extremely poor state with a very high percentage of entries unreadable. So now pay particular attention to the fact that daughter Anna, grandaughter Anna Orchard and daughter KATHERINE all received their bequests as ' a legacy' whereas the remaining children of Gregory Phillips received their bequests as ' a portion'. I think that this indicates daughter Katherine was married and if so then the marriage occurred sometime before July 10th 1658 when Gregory Phillips wrote his Will. Just a nice length of time before the arrival of a first child I should think! CT
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Post by myghaelangof on Dec 8, 2012 9:13:40 GMT -5
Hello Ian, and thank you for your input in this. I had seen the possibility of Katherine being a Phillips, or close family, so it is good to get a 2nd opinion along the same lines I hope to expand this family with a view to finding more information on her 2nd marriage to Arundell Shakerley, who links in to all my posts yesterday, spread across various parishes... Phillack, Gwinear, Illogan, Madron/Penzance, & St. Just. I'll do some more chipping away tonight ;D
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Post by myghaelangof on Dec 9, 2012 20:29:33 GMT -5
CT, found this which may beof interest to you - we seem to keep getting back to them PHILLIPS!
Edward Collins was the elder brother of John Collins, clerk, D.D., Rector of Illogan. He was the first of the family to settle at Redruth. His son Edward (instituted Rector of Phillack and Gwithian, 1690) married Anna, daughter of John Phillips and niece of Jasper Phillips (see list of Rectors). By marriages of his grand-children, Anne daughter of Edward and Mary daughter of John, he was a direct ancestor of two Cornish historians — Davies Gilbert and Richard Polwhele. His grandson John, the son of John, was Rector of Redruth (see list of Rectors). The family held property in the town until quite recently. A public house at East End, part of this property, still bears the name of " The Collins* Arms."
This was on archive.org for Redruth Parish register digitised!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 10, 2012 4:06:00 GMT -5
Thanks Mike - is this from the early Redruth Register 1560-1716? I have a copy of that one from archive.org but had never seen the reference to Edward Collins. At least I had the links with the Phillips family right! CT
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Post by myghaelangof on Dec 10, 2012 15:46:24 GMT -5
Hi CT Found it in the archive.org online digitalised register. Decided to change tact and look at my Michell ancestors inRedruth. :-)
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Post by pmac on Jan 12, 2013 12:54:36 GMT -5
I have another interesting bit of info for you to consider. Kathie's will's and probates site: part 5, has the wills of a Joan Phillips and a Joane Pawley both mention Gregory and Jasper but Joan Phillips has William and Charles Carnarthen as witnesses.
Btw I have listed 11 other children to Gregory and Anna Phillips but can't find a chr for Jasper, anyone have it?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 12, 2013 21:14:59 GMT -5
Joan Phillips wrote her Will in 1722 and it was proved in 1728. She was the daughter of Hugh and Joane Pawley and married Thomas Phillips (son of Gregory and Anna) at Lelant in 1670. That the Canarthens were witnesses to her Will may indicate a family connection .............. or it may not! I suspect Gregory Phillips may have been from Devon and if that is the case he may have married in that County. As no baptism has been found for Jasper in Cornwall then he also may have been born in Devon. CT
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Post by myghaelangof on Apr 21, 2013 0:38:39 GMT -5
Hi CT. Bit late in the day, and currently in NZ without any notes, but I found evidence that Gregorie's family was from Devon. When I get back to blighty I'll have a look for you.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 21, 2013 0:44:32 GMT -5
Hi Mike - I seem to recall inferences to Devon origins in some of the stuff I was able to find via Google regarding Gregory Phillips. I don't know that there was anything concrete in what I found so I would be interested in whatever information you have on the subject. CT
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Post by sue on Apr 21, 2013 5:20:40 GMT -5
When I was trying to sort out the Canarthens a few years ago, I also looked a bit at Jaspers, being a good name – and found this: “Gregory Phillips: of Devon, pleb. Exeter Coll., 16 Oct., 1607, aged 19; B.A. 27 Oct., 1610, M.A. 12 March, 1618-19 (then in orders); rector of Phillack-with-Gwithian, Cornwall, 1614; father of Jasper, and of the next-named.” Foster's 1891 Index Ecclesiasticus; Oxford Alumni.. Same source says Jaspar matriculated Wadham College Oxford 1636 age 16, so born 1619/20. As Jasper Phillips' 1688 Phillack will apparently mentions Alscot alias Alverdiscott in Devon, and National Archives has leases in the 1600s of Alverdiscott to William Phillippe of Alverdiscott, yeoman, I wonder if that would be the area of Devon they came from? And for what it's worth, I see a Jasparus Phillips was also rector of Alverdiscott 1661.... (theclergydatabase). Sue
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