There were other Visitations of Cornwall in 1556 (Robert Cook, Clarenceux) and 1561 (Harl 3288). I'm not sure there is a surviving manuscript of the former. Also the 1620 without additions is occasionally worth consulting and readily available.
As I understand it, the Harleian manuscripts were originally collected by a guy named Harley (I may have that name wrong) and subsequently acquired by the British Library. The Harleian Society exists to publish those manuscripts. Not all of the Visitations are in the collection. I've acquired some from the British Library, who are quite expensive to my way of thinking. I currently have 104 volumes and I reckon I am missing 73. But those numbers are not clear cut. For instance, I don't count the Visitation of England and Wales series (of which I have most) and I find it difficult to count those that I don't have. Some are very rare (less than 5 known copies).
Quite often it is possible to do internal checks on Visitations. If you find the marriage for Ann Smith to John Jones in the Smith pedigree and also of John Jones to Ann Smith in the Jones pedigree you have good confirmation, since the pedigrees were collected separately. Of course the Smiths and Jones may share a common legend... I often find my families in both Devon and Cornwall Visitations.
I have plenty of real examples, but couldn't quickly locate one. So it goes.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 11, 2008 9:44:49 GMT -5
Ken - if you have the Visitations of Cornwall (as it seems you do) could you please, as you have time and opportunity, check on the name of TREWOLLA and also see if there are any variations of the name - e.g. Trewela, Trewhella etc.
I don't think there will be variations but would appreciate some confirmation.
I have a copy of the TREWOLLA pedigree from the Visitations but some cross-referencing, as you have suggested, might be well worthwhile as there is still some confusion involved.
TREWOLLA was of Gorran and the farm is still there but it appears, from the Visitation, that at least one member of that family married into the family of TREWHELA of St Enoder.
Any information you may be able to supply would be most welcome.
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Agreed, Harleian Soc's original 1620 publication is useful, especially as it has some relevant footnotes that did not get incorporated in the later compilation by Vivian. This is now also available electronically on CD as are a number of other visitations records. (for details, check the Archive CD books websites).
SOAG have quite a few published visitations in their library collection also.
Do you find the "Visitation of England and Wales" to be as useful?
I too have had the same experience as you re Devon and Cornwall Visitations. Some pedigrees for the one family (eg. Basset, Courtenay) also appear in both collections
There is also a published book, "An index to the pedigrees and arms contained in the heralds¡¯ visitations, and other genealogical manuscripts in the British Museum" published by the Genealogical Pub. Co. of Baltimore in 1970, which is an index by family surname to published visitation records in England. Would be useful if your folk were in other counties, or else in more than one county. Other, older references are George Marshall's "An index to the pedigrees contained in the printed herald¡¯s visitations, etc " of 1866, and Sir Harris Nicolas' "Catalogue of the heralds¡¯ visitations in the British Museum" of 1825.
See also "Armigerous ancestors : a catalogue of sources for the study of the visitations of heralds in the 16th and 17th centuries with referenced lists of names" by Cecil R. Humphery-Smith, published by the Institute of Heraldic & Genealogical Studies in 1997.
For a discussion of the reliability of various visitation collections, see also "Visitation pedigrees and the genealogist", by G. D. Squibb, published by Phillimore in 1964.
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I have all the Visitations that Archive CD books offered. They had a wonderful special by which I could buy all they had for something like $100. I've added about another 25 volumes since.
For me, the Visitation of England and Wales is less useful because I already know my ancestry for the period covered, which is generally after the heraldic visitations ceased. For somebody in a different position (particularly if English or Welsh) the situation could be quite different. I don't think SAGs have any that I don't and I definitely have some that they don't. I'm currently in discussion with their librarian (our librarian, since I am a member) about various matters.
I think the Genealogical Publishing company volume you mention is a reprint of Simms, which I have. I also have Marshall but not Nicolas. But Humphrey-Smith is by far the best thing of that kind and I am very glad to own a copy. I haven't seen the Squibb volume, but will look out for it. I've been on Gen-Medieval for some time, so probably have a fair idea of the content.
John Coswyn was a churchwarden at Phillack at the Protestation, 1641. He signed the document. If you don't have the Protestation, you certainly should. It is available cheaply on CD and is almost like having a census of adult males for that year. Am I allowed to give a url?
A John Coswyn had G6 at the 1524 subsidy, Phillack. None on the 1545 but about a third of the names have been lost. Presumably the same John Coswyn had G6 at the 1522 muster but was assessed only at £5 for the loan. I'd guess he was father or grandfather of the John father of Thomas in 1580. Possibly born around 1485.
There are scattered references in the Visitations but no pedigree. I lack the knowledge (and the time) to work out if any of these are relevant to you. There was a Bishop of Durham about 1600 whose daughter married into a Cornish family (his name spelled Cosyn from memory).
Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 13, 2008 17:04:46 GMT -5
Thankyou Ken - I do have copies of the Protestation Returns for the areas of Penwith and Kerrier and I think they are complete for those areas.
Just looked at Phillack and found the entry to which you refer.
Most interesting. - IF I have stumbled upon my long sought after answer then there may be more for me to ponder.
I know that the role of 'Churchwarden' was probably a local appointment but we now have yet another strange coincidence to consider.
If the John COSWYN at Phillack (Churchwarden) is the same man I now suspect of being the father of my Katherine ...........
You see - Thomas Trewheela was, I am certain, the son of James Trewhella (the name varies in many records) who was Churchwarden at Towednack for many years and is also mentioned in the 1641 Protestation Roll in that capacity.
James was baptised at St Erth in 1582 and I think we both know that St Erth and Phillack are very close together.
I wonder if there might be something more here that could trigger further findings on this and other families.
Is it possible even that, given I have identified Katherine correctly, there could be some familial relationship between the two Churchwardens.
I am yet to find a name for the wife of James Trewhella but he is, I believe, the man married at St Erth 10th August 1606, a period when the name of the bride was not recorded.
This becomes more and more interesting and I must try to pursue it after I have some rest.
Appears I probably will have to work tonight (on a usual night off) and then have to work the following four nights.
However, I will be (given continued Internet access) trying to check on a few things here.
Thanks again Ken and hope to hear back from you very soon.
Any ideas on this from anyone would be greatly appreciated.
I've only really looked at churchwardens records for Camborne. As far as I can remember being churchwarden was regarded as something of an honour among the leading men of the town and it was usual to have a different set each year, with possible reappointment at a later date. A bit like the office of sheriff of a county on a larger stage. If James Trewhella were indeed a churchwarden for many years that would be an anomaly. Of course it could be that different parishes managed their affairs in different ways. Having the parish run by a curate might make a big difference, for instance.
Stephin Coswyn, William Coswyn and Raffe Coswarne were at the 1569 muster, Crowan. All 3 were rated able billmen, though William and Raffe both had arrows. John Cosewin of Mawgan was rated an able archer and had a bow and half a sheaf of arrows. These were the only ones of the name in Cornwall. (You see, having the information for just a hundred or two is not enough.)