Post by waldrons2000 on Aug 17, 2012 1:19:56 GMT -5
CT, do you mean Elizabeth Trevaskis Hosking?
And in 1901, Janie A. Craze Goodman was visiting in St. Mary, Glamorgan, Wales with her daughter Edith. James Edwin Goodman was docked at Glamorgan, Wales on board the Trevelyan, so I assume there was a "marital visit" going on.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 17, 2012 4:21:52 GMT -5
Yes - Elizabeth Trevaskis Hosking is correct but I will explain more in a moment.
I assume there was a "marital visit" going on.
No, I don't think that is quite the case at all!
You must remember that the remainder of the children of James and Jane, ranging in age from 14 down to as young as 2, were still living back at St Ives so it is hardly likely Jane would have been living in Cardiff!
I think you will find that Jane and daughter Edith joined James on this particular voyage and that they found lodgings ashore for a night or two whilst the vessel was in harbour.
Remember that the Census is a record of all those persons and where they spent the night on the designated Census Date.
If you have a look at the Census page for the vessel itself (where you found J E Goodman) and go to the next page you will find the Captain's wife also on that voyage. She is the last name on the manifest.
The SS Trevelyan was one of the Hain SteamShips of St Ives and was registered 25th April 1894.
I guess my comments were slightly misleading as it is not actually Elizabeth but rather her father who is the cause of confusion. It took me quite some time to sort my way through the maze so I will give you a brief outline of the results. I am sure you will get enough headaches without adding this one!
As you are probably already aware Elizabeth Trevaskis Hosking was baptised 2nd August 1829 at St Erth daughter of Hugh Hosking alias Collick and Maryanne.
From the beginning:-
Hugh son of Catherine Collick (base child) was baptised January 18th 1795 at St Erth
I am yet to identify Catherine Collick (var. Collet, Collett, Collect et al) but I suspect she 'may' have been a daughter of Hugh Collick of Veryan and Elizabeth Johns who married at Mawgan in Meneage in 1765). No baptism has been found for her but I believe she was buried at St Hilary 27th February 1836 age 36. (Of course she may also have been illegitimate! )
Hugh Collick of St Erth married Grace Mollard 10th October 1818 at Lelant. There appear to have been no children from this marriage and Grace was buried at St Hilary 3rd August 1819 age 23.
Sometime during the next seven years Hugh Collick decided to change his name.
Hugh Hosking, widower, married Mary Ann Trezise 14th May 1826 at St Erth
Henry son of Hugh Hosking alias Collick and Mary Anne bp. 10th February 1828 St Erth Elizabeth Trevaskis daughter of Hugh Hosking alias Collick and Mary Anne bp. 2nd August 1829 St Erth William son of Hugh Hosking alias Collick and Mary Anne bp. 19th June 1831 St Erth John son of Hugh and Mary Collick bp. 4th May 1834 St Erth
For some unknown reason Hugh reverted to his original name when John was baptised but from the next child onwards (Mary Jane 1837) all children were baptised as Hosking.
Hugh Hosking of Porthcollumb, St Erth age 74 was buried 8th April 1870 at St Erth Mary Ann Hosking of St Elwyn age 89 was buried 26th May 1897 at St Erth
I hope that saves you some problems. If you search through the site you should find some further discussion on this family. Probably around 2010 and most likely in a Hosking thread.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 17, 2012 7:00:06 GMT -5
Susan - I may have a couple of small errors in my latest but hopefully I will have them correct soon.
If you go to the St Erth section you will find a thread for 'Andrew Hosking St Erth'. In this thread you will find all of my earlier discussions about Hugh Collick and I think you might find at least some of it interesting reading.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 17, 2012 8:14:16 GMT -5
Susan - first error to correct is that Hugh Collick/Hosking did have a child by his first wife.
Henry son of Hugh and Grace Hosking of St Hilary bp. 27th December 1818 Henry Hosking an infant from Relubbus, St Hilary was buried 17th January 1819 at St Hilary
The next error is with the identity of Hugh Collick's mother. It is only after reading through the Andrew Hosking thread again and checking through the Parish Registers that I realised the answer to the puzzle.
The baptism record for Hugh Collick in the St Erth Parish Register has been the cause of quite some confusion!
Hugh son of Catherine Collick (base child) baptised January 18th 1795
In fact his mother was actually Catherine HOSKING! She was baptised at St Erth 1st May 1776 daughter of Andrew Hosking and his wife Mary Vellenoweth. The naming of her son would appear now to point in only one direction when it comes to identifying the father!
Hugh son of Hugh and Elizabeth Collick bp. 20th July 1777 at Breage
He later married Mary Richards at St Hilary in 1799 but other than his name I have found no records to actually implicate him as the father of Catherine Hosking's child.
I would be most surprised if he was not!!!
This helps explain a lot of the confusion of Hugh's use of surnames and if you read through the Andrew Hosking thread you will find how Hugh Collick/Hosking came to be at Porthcullumb.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 17, 2012 9:44:44 GMT -5
I can add a little more about Catherine Hosking now.
Catherine married Henry Rosewarn, widower, at St Erth 3rd May 1836 but unfortunately she was buried at St Erth less than a year later on 2nd February 1837.
Henry was a farmer of St Erth who had first married Mary Vivian at Camborne 31st January 1804. Mary died and was buried at Camborne 14th May 1815 leaving one child.
Sally Vivian Rosewarne was baptised at Camborne 21st June 1804 and married John Laity at St Erth 30th December 1828 with her father as one of the witnesses. Henry Rosewarn also witnessed the marriage of Catherine Hosking's sister Ann to William Bosustow (another widower) at St Erth 9th February 1818.
Henry may be the Henry Rosewarn buried at St Ives in 1847 but I am not sure. And I am equally unsure about his parentage.
Post by waldrons2000 on Aug 17, 2012 11:08:54 GMT -5
CT, when you see the various changing names of people like Hugh, how do you "know" they are the same person, and not two different men both married to someone named MaryAnne? And how did you "know" that Catherine Hosking and Catherine Collick were the same person?
And yes, I knew Janie Craze Goodman didn't live in Wales (she's listed as a visitor on the census)... the marital visit I assumed was her meeting his ship when in docked in Glamorgan. I've heard of instances where the ship's captain's wife was traveling with them, but thought that was a privilege that would have been reserved for the senior officers, not an engineer. Would that have been common for other men's wives to travel on these freighters?
Please don't think me ungrateful if it takes me a while to digest all this info (I want to follow your research so I know how to discover these things myself). I'm sure I'll ask more questions when I'm stumped!!
Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 17, 2012 12:23:00 GMT -5
Always ask questions!
Hugh, how do you "know" they are the same person, and not two different men both married to someone named MaryAnne?
1. Although the surnames are different the signiatures on both marriage records are the same - therefore he used two names. 2. When the first three children to Mary Anne were baptised he was known as 'Hosking alias Collick' meaning he was using the name Hosking but was also known as Collick. 3. In 1841 the family was at Porthcullumb with six children - Henry 13, Elizabeth 11, William 9, John 7, Mary 4 and Andrew 2. If you compare these names and ages with the list of children in my earlier post you will find a perfect match. 4. In 1841 there are only three people named Hugh Hosking in Cornwall - Hugh at St Erth age 40, Hugh at Mawgan in Meneage age 15 and Hugh at St Cleer age 4.
And how did you "know" that Catherine Hosking and Catherine Collick were the same person?
If you read through the Andrew Hosking thread again you will find the answer to that one.
It is all to do with the Will of Andrew Hosking who died in 1813 and was buried at Lelant. He was the husband of Mary Vellenoweth and father of only three children - Andrew, Ann and Catherine.
His Will basically said that if Andrew had heirs then they were to inherit but if that were not the case then the heirs would be children of his daughters Ann or Catherine.
Andrew Hosking never married and had no known children. Ann married widower William Bosustow in 1818 when she was age 44. Catherine married widower Henry Rosewarn at age 60.
Following is a quote from Carol in the Andrew Hosking thread:-
I believe there is a memorial at the Church in Lelant.
Sacred to the memory of Andrew Hosking, late of Porthcullumb, in the parish of Saint Earth, and Mary his wife. The said Mary Hosking departed this life the 10 of April, 1779; aged 42. Andrew Hosking departed this life the 29 day of July, 1813; aged 78 years.
I also have a copy of his will. Son Andrew then had the farm at Porthcollum. After Andrew jnr’s demise Hugh Hosking appears as a farmer in St Erth.
It is significant that Hugh Hosking took over Porthcullumb immediately after Andrew Hosking jnr who was buried at St Erth 7th April 1836.
And a further quote from Carol:-
I should add the will of Andrew snr d.1813 makes no reference to Hugh.
Basically should Andrew have no 'lawfully begotten' heirs the property goes to 'daughters Ann and Catherine in equal moieties and to their several and respective heirs"
The will of Andrew d.1836 had no written will attached but the front reads - '..... Hugh Colleck the sole executor in the said will" (said Will seems to have disappeared).
So the executor of the Will of Andrew Hosking jnr is Hugh Colleck (sic.) whom we know by now also went by the name of Hosking. We know from the Census records that Hugh Hosking was born at St Erth and we know from Census records that he was born sometime in the mid-late 1790s. When Hugh Hosking died iin April 1870 his age was recorded as 74 which also matches roughly with the Census.
The only baptism record that is any match for this is that of Hugh Collick at St Erth in 1795.
That Hugh Hosking alias Collick assumes Porthcollumb via the Will of Andrew Hosking jnr suggests that he is not only the sole executor of that Will but according to the 1813 Will of Andrew Hosking snr he must also be the sole living heir.
All of that combined says that Catherine Collick must have been Catherine Hosking daughter of Andrew and Mary. She was the only child of Andrew and Mary to produce a child albeit an illegitimate child.
One further consideration - we know that ages recorded in the Census and at death/burial can, and often are, inaccurate but it is also not unusual to find errors in the Parish Registers. I think it likely that the child was given the name 'Hugh Collick' to identify the father but when the entry was made in the register the Clerk mistakenly entered Collick as the mother's surname rather than Hosking.
I've heard of instances where the ship's captain's wife was traveling with them, but thought that was a privilege that would have been reserved for the senior officers, not an engineer.
It was not that unusual for wives to travel with their husbands aboard the vessel their were working on. You will sometimes find wives aboard fishing vessels as well.
Please don't think me ungrateful if it takes me a while to digest all this info
Not at all! I think it is great that your are taking so much interest and being so careful about it. You obviously want to get things right and you also want to be able to find the information for yourself.
I enjoy helping people with genealogy and passing on a few of the tricks I have learned over the last few years in particular. And when someone joins this forum and throws up a problem that nobody has ever been able to solve then I am in my element! ;D