Trevorrow

[Cornish Terrier]

A little more information on the family of Thomas Trevorrow and Mary Jane Chadford that you may be interested in.

Daughter Mary Jane Trevorrow married James Martin(s) in the December Qtr of 1877 Penzance R.D. They had the following children that I am aware of:-

James bn. 1878 St Ives
Thomas bn. 1880 St Ives
Andrew bn. c.1882 Lelant
Richard John bp. 11th July 1884 St Ives Primitive Methodist Circuit

Mary Jane Martin of Halsetown age 29 was buried at St Ives 25th August 1889

James Martin(s) then married Bessy Elliott in 1893 and had at least one more son, John, born 1897.

James and Thomas Martins can be found with their grandmother Mary Jane Trevorrow (widow age 59) at Polmanter Water, St Ives in 1901.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

Blanche Trevorrow had another son (John Trevorrow - bap. 4 Sep 1815 Ludgvan).

The father was William Roberts who on 15 Jul 1815 lodged a GBP100 Bastardry Bond for Blanche Trevorrow's "base child".



This John Trevorrow married Mary Gillis (bap. 17 Dec 1815 Ludgvan) on 16 Oct 1841, Ludgvan.

Yes, I found that baptism as well but obviously forgot to mention it. I had not checked any further on him so was not aware of the marriage but will look into it so that I can get my database updated.

CT

[andrewwa]

The unverified list of children (all born or baptised (?) in MI) that I have for Thomas & Mary Jane (nee Jackson) Trevorrow as follows: (

William Henby - 4 Sep 1870 (This could be the William 'K' in the Census)
Thomas - 13 jan 1875
Allin - 20 Jun 1877
Margaret Jane - 20 Jun 1877
John - 23 May 1878
Anne or Hannah (Annie) - 21 may 1880
Henry - 18 May 1882
Uren - 12 Nov 1885
Elizabeth - 14 May 1887
Cyrus - 22 Oct 1888
Francis Uren - 25 Apr 1891
Howard - 3 Jun 1895
Thomas - 3 Jun 1895

[Cornish Terrier]

Mary Jane Trevorrow was still living at Polmanter Water in 1911 although now she was on her own.

Mary Jane Trevorrow of Halsetown age 74 was buried at Barnoon Cemetery, St Ives 13th February 1915

If my memory serves I reckon she might have outlived Thomas Trevorrow by a few years!

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

I just love it when I sense something is not quite right ................. and then Prove It! ;D
(I will admit that I had a check of some of those Online Trees afterwards and found that one of them had part of the solution!)

William Herby/Kerby Trevorrow born 1870

That name was really annoying me and whichever way I looked it confronted me. Andrew mentioned him as did every darned Tree on Ancestry and he even had the gall lto appear in the 1880 Census age 10!!!

Thomas Trevorrow and Elizabeth Jackson were married in 1872 so unless this errant and annoying child was their illegitimate son or a son of one from a previous marriage then the little blighter simply had no right to be there!

One way or another I was determined to find out just why he was there so I put the head down (and the other end up ;D) and proceeded to dig ............. and dig .............. and dig!

Looking through those Ancestry Trees again and I kept seeing another thing that annoyed me ..... William Herby Trevorrow born 4th September 1870 Greenland, Ontonagon, Michigan

I proceeded to check every Michigan Birth database on FamilySearch and Ancestry .... which in actual fact is only three ..... but there was no sign of this event.

I tried searching for events from 1870 to 1872 in Greenland, Ontonagon, Michigan and then tried the same dates for all of Ontonagon County and when that produced nothing I wanted I searched the same dates for all of Michigan.
Within those paramaters I had searched for William Trevorrow son of Thomas and Elizabeth and also tried using wildcards in the surname.
I also tried searching for William (no surname) son of Thomas and Elizabeth then William son of Thomas - again within the above paramaters.

Suffice to say I was getting just a little more annoyed!

Now, with FamilySearch you can only search by Year or by Start Year/End Year. The search facility in Ancestry however allows for the specification of an exact date - in this case 4th September 1870.

So .................. I proceeded to search Michigan births on Ancestry and started with full name details plus the exact date.
.................................... and then I started the whole FamilySerach excercise again.

No sign of William Herby/Kerby (or William H or William) Trevorrow son of Thomas and Elizabeth to be found anywhere!

But those of you who know me also know that I don't give up that easily!

From all of that searching I was left with but one possible clue.
The only name that kept appearing that was anything at all like what I was after was William Henry Roberts son of Thomas and Elizabeth Roberts born 4th September 1870 Rockland, Ontonagon, Michigan. Right date, wrong name and wrong darned Town!

And when I searched on Ancestry specifying 4th September 1870 - the only name that appeared was William Henry Roberts son of Thomas and Elizabeth at Rockland, Ontonagon, Michigan.

There was but one thing left to do and the result of that one thing was:-

August 3rd, 1869 - Greenland, Ontonagon, Michigan
Thomas Roberts age 24 married Elizabeth Ann Jackson age 17

So William Herby/Kerby Trevorrow was not a Trevorrow at all - he started life as William Henry Roberts!

I just love it when I sense something is not quite right ................. and then Prove It! ;D

But one Tree on Ancestry showed that Elizabeth Jackson had been previously married BUT there was just the name of Thomas Roberts with no date or place of the marriage!

And now I can happily update my database in the knowledge that it is going to be at lease close to being accurate!

CT

[andrewwa]

Now CT

Honestly I'm not trying to wind you up, and I have fully experienced the frustration with Public Member Trees BUT............

The same UNVERIFIED tree showed John (Errata: This too should be William) Henby Trevorrow (b 4 Sep 1870 Greenland) getting married to Carrie Ann Cox (b 22 Jun 1875 Greenland Ontonagon MI) on 16 May 1894 (Rockland).

They are in the 1900 US Census with Carrie Ann CocksTrevorrow dec in 1942 and William H Trevorrow dec in 1943 (MI Find a Grave Index). Theye are in the 1930 US Census.
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It also shows 7 children all with the Trevorrow surname (all born in Greenland (or nearby Calumet) with complete dates not just the years):
Clyde William Henby 1896 (Dec 1916 as Clive Herby Trevorrow)
Gladys Elizabeth 1899
Howard Francis 1902
Earl T 1906
Glen Samuel 1909
Lloyd Henry 1913
Eldred John 'Pete' 1917

There appears to be consistent Census data and deaths for this Trevorrow family in Greenland/Calumet Ontonagon Michigan.

This appears to be valid family data but William H Trevorrow MAY NOT be connected to Thomas & Elizabeth Jane Trevorrow.

Obviously we need further verification/certificates to link him correctly.

PS I don't think that Blanche Trevorrow ever married William Roberts as she died as Trevorrow.

[Cornish Terrier]

Not 'wound up' at all Andrew.

Good discussion leads to new ideas and ultimately (hopefully) leads to the truth.

But I must point out that this is at least the second time you have mentioned JOHN Henby Trevorrow when in fact the name was WILLIAM.

Online Family Trees - yes, I am fully aware that SOME of them actually contain good, accurate information. The problem is that these are by far in the minority and the experience of all those Trees full of copied rubbish dictates that ALL information in ALL of these Trees should be checked and verified.

Over the last two nights I have spent more hours than I care to count in trying to do just that and have now collected Images of as many BDM records as I have been able to find. That includes the marriage of William H Trevorrow to Carrie Cox.

But what I also found was the Marriage of Thomas ROBERTS to Elizabeth Ann JACKSON along with the Birth record of their son WILLIAM HENRY ROBERTS 4th September 1870. It is this same William Henry ROBERTS who became known as William Herby/Kerby TREVORROW.

This morning I had some interesting email conversation with Maggie and as a result there is still more to think about - particularly as she is a descendant of William Herby.

The question at the top of the list is - ARE THOMAS ROBERTS and THOMAS TREVORROW ONE AND THE SAME MAN?

Thomas Roberts married Elizabeth Jackson in 1869 yet in 1870 Elizabeth was living at home with her parents and siblings at Rockland with Thomas Roberts nowhere to be seen.
This Census was taken 11th July and just 55 days later William Henry Roberts was born in Rockland.

Just over two years later Elizabeth, under her maiden name, married Thomas Trevorrow.

That she remarried under her maiden name suggests the possibility of a Divorce but unfortunately it was not until about 1895 or 1897 that Divorce records were kept in Michigan.

Some further points to think about:-
1. Thomas Roberts stated he was age 24 when married in 1869 so should be born about 1845.
2. Thomas Trevorrow was born in 1838/9 so in 1872 when he married would have been 33.
3. Thomas Trevorrow stated that he was age 30 indicating a birth about 1842.
4. In 1880 Thomas Trevorrow stated that he was age 37.
5. Only one Thomas Roberts of the right age can be found in 1870 at Ishpeming, Marquette, Michigan.
6. Thomas Trevorrow, so far, cannot be found in 1870.
7. In 1900 Thomas Trevorrow stated his birth as December 1839.
8. The Death Certificate for Thomas Trevorrow gives his birthdate as 25th December 1837.

So in 1872 and 1880 Thomas Trevorrow's recorded age is consistent with a birth about 1842/3 and Thomas Roberts projected birth from his marriage record was 1845. Not a lot of difference there!

And then in 1870 we can find 'a' Thomas ROBERTS of the right age and occupation (miner) up in Ishpeming yet we CANNOT find Thomas TREVORROW anywhere!

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THEY ARE THE SAME MAN?

If both are the same man then the fact there were two marriages would suggest there was a Divorce involved followed by a reconciliation and re-marriage.

But WHY would Thomas be known as ROBERTS??? (And can it be proved? )

We now know that Thomas Trevorrow left a wife and child back in Cornwall ........................

CT

[andrewwa]

Regret any inconvenienc/confusion cause by the John /William errors.

CT, your summary in the last post above outlines the problem precisely. Fantastic sleuthing!!

Elizabeth Jackson may well have come to the realisation that she'd married an already married man who was using an alias.
And who may have come clean by the time of the second marriage. (Or she was married twice to Roberts and Trevorrow).

Thomas Trevorrow was abviously a man of some standing/capability to become a Mine Captain so maybe eventually all was forgiven.

Can Maggie throw any light on the Henry v Henby situation as the Henby appears to get some use in subsequent generations??

[Cornish Terrier]

Andrew - I knew who you meant but made point of it for the benefit of others who may read this thread.

I was not able to find anything definitive about William's name. His birth was recorded as William HENRY and in another record (Census or perhaps Marriage) it was clearly recorded as KERBY yet I keep seeing HENBY.

Maggie may have some idea but we will have to wait for her next response.

Your theory about the two marriages is worth considering also but we do know there was at least one Thomas Roberts in the general area who could have been the first husband. That is a problem that will take some solving!

CT

[andrewwa]

We need to also remember that Roberts and Trevorrow were both miners.

Life expectancy amongst underground miners in the mid-1800's was incredibly low as shown constantly in the English Census records in Cornwall.

It's conceivable that we are faced with two separate people/marriages and William Henry Roberts simply took his new father's name.

However, as Elizabeth used her maiden name in the second marriage my 2/- is on the possibility that Trevorrow was using the alias Roberts and was found out (as already having a wife)and there was then a reconciliation as you suggest.

The timing of the 2 weddings appears significant:

Jackson/Roberts wedding in 1869.

In the 1871 Eng Census, Mary Jane Trevorrow (nee Chadford)'s status was "husband in America".

Trevorrow/Jackson wedding in 1872.

In the 1881 Eng Census, Mary Jane's status is Widow.

Has anybody been able to uncover Thomas Trevarrow/Trevorrow on any passeneger lists??

PS...I've lost many bets in the past!!

[Cornish Terrier]

The timing of the 2 weddings appears significant:

WHY?

I don't think we can assume any significance without all the relevant information.
Just because Mary Jane was recorded as a widow in 1881 does not necessarily mean that her husband had been declared dead. It may simply mean that she was a 'grass widow' and had come to the realisation he just wasn't coming home.

And then there is the fact that we don't know just when Thomas (or his brother for that matter) left England. I have not been able to find anything as yet either in Passenger Lists or in Naturalisation Records.

Without me knowing all the legalities let's post a hypothetical based on the premise that Mary Jane believed she was indeed a genuine widow.

1. When did she last see Thomas Trevorrow?
2. When did she last HEAR from Thomas Trevorrow?
3. What was the Statute of Limitations involved for the declaration of widowhood?

The second child of Thomas and Mary Jane was baptised in December 1862 and died in the June Qtr of 1864 with two years between this child and her older sister.
Assume from this that Thomas left sometime during 1863 or perhaps 1864.
Assume that there was some correspondence between Thomas and Mary Jane over the next year or two at least.

By this we have potentially arrived at a time around 1866.

The next thing to consider is the Statute of Limitations and for the purpose of the excercise I will use 7 years.
So the last Mary Jane hears from Thomas is 1866. It then takes some time for her to begin to consider something may be amiss.
At some point she would make it known 'officially' that there is a problem and her husband has not been heard from.
It may be 1867 or 1868 (or even later) before an 'official declaration' is made.

Using those paramaters it would not be until at least about 1875 before Mary Jane could call herself a widow and therefore be eligible to remarry if she wished.

But did she believe her husband was dead? Or did she simply wake up one morning and realise that the blighter just wasn't coming home?

Whether or not Roberts and Trevorrow were the same man is open to all sorts of conjecture but I am inclined to think they were not.
It is possible that Thomas Roberts died within a year or so of the marriage and it is equally possible that Divorce was involved but without documentary evidence we cannot prove one or the other.

And that leaves William Henry/Henby/Kerby Trevorrow in a state of limbo.

CT

[zibetha]

Thought I'd toss this John Trevorrow into the mix. Probably a relative and might have been able to help Thomas secure employment in Michigan and move up the job ladder (perhaps even under an alternate name.) Also suggests a possible Aussie relative connection for Sgt. Earl's visit.

So, from my favorite Michigan resource, Alvah Sawyer's book (in the public domain) on the important businessmen of the Upper Peninsula, I introduce Mine Capt. John Trevorrow into the mix!


(Along with more Trevorrows marrying Trevorrows!

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[zibetha]

PS to Maggie -- honked my horn while passing Ontonagon on the way to my vacation on Misery Bay earlier this month.

And you are one lucky duck, girlfriend--- there's a nice little land record winging its way to you by PM: purchased by Thomas T in 1891 under President Harrison's administration.

[andrewwa]

G'day Zibetha - great to have some additional Trevorrow contribution.

By my calculation this Capt John Trevorrow was a distant relative (6th Cousin) to the Capt Thomas Trevorrow who married Elizabeth Jackson.

I can confirm that Capt John Trevorrow was son of Richard and Elizabeth (nee Trevorrow) Trevorrow. By my calculation they were 1st cousins with the common ancestors of Richard Trevorrow (Trevora) and Eleanor Thomas.

Richard was son of James & Catherine (nee Semmens) Trevorow.
Elizabeth was daughter of John & Frances/Fanny (nee Semmens) Trevorrow.

Elizabeth Trevorrow was daughter of Christopher & Elizabeth Jane (nee Collect) Trevorrow.

My records show that both Richard and Elizabeth died before 1861 which may have contributed to all of their children leaving the St Ives area. (Note: Richard married Ann Try in 1857 but she was already a widow in 1861)

It's interesting that Sawyer's Book shows that John emigrated to England in 1864. He obviously travelled back to Cornwall to mary Elizabeth on 4 May 1868 in Halsetown, St Ives.

John and Elizabeth (and son John) are in St Ives in 1871. John was 6yo in 1851, 16yo in 1861 and 27yo in 1871. This may support a birth year closer to 1845 (?).

John's brother Richard (Richard Semmens) Trevorrow travelled to Victoria, Australia, married Lavinia Hall (ex London) and had 8 children in the Clunes/Sandhurst/Bendigo area (1869-1880).

I have yet to find John's sister Elizabeth in Australia.

John's brother Thomas initially married Elizabeth Renowden in St Ives 1856 (5 children) and Jane Phillips in St Ives 1866 (6 children) before moving to Scotland before 1869.

John's brother James married Rebecca Woolcock Perkin in St Ives 1859, had 5 children in St Ives before the family migrated to USA (SS Lady Lycett - Bristol-New York - Family rcorded as "Prevonow") in 1873.

John's brother Henry was still in St Ives for the 1871 Census and married Caroline Trounce in Houghton, Michigan in 1875. I have 2 children for this family (Caroline 1876 & Mabel 1889 - both Trevarrow).

[Cornish Terrier]

John was 6yo in 1851, 16yo in 1861

Age 16 in 1861? This suggests you have found him in the Census.

If that is so then I would be really happy if you could tell me where he was because I am damned if I can find any of the family apart from widowed step-mother Ann who was with her father!

CT