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Post by zibetha on Jul 29, 2012 2:32:15 GMT -5
I have long been puzzling over a transcription of a letter held at the CRO from William Blewett to his daughter Mary, wife of Hannibal Orchard, who had emigrated to Australia. (William B was the son of Anne Trewhela's cousin.)
It includes the 1850 event of William Harvey putting out a fire in the Blewett home by smacking out the burning thatch in the roof with his shovel. (I am concerned that William died later the same year -- smoke inhalation???)
The letter goes on to tell of William Blewett's son William intending to stay at William Harvey's inn while his house was being readied for his marriage to Elizabeth Rodda. There is a note by the researcher that Willliam Blewett later married Mary Harvey, the daughter of William. While Mary Harvey (widow of John Rodda) did marry William after both lost their spouses, I have not found her to be the daughter of William Harvey, but rather of Thomas Harvey 1797 and Ann Oatey.
So who was Thomas Harvey? At first I thought he might have been a younger brother of William which would have made Mary William's niece rather than daughter, but I couldn't find records to back that up.
Now I have found that Thomas was the son of William Harvey and Elizabeth Ward who married in 1793 at Crowan. There was another son Thomas born previously who died young. If this was "my" William, that would make Mary his granddaughter.
William Harvey didn't marry Ann Trewhela until 1806 (he was 32) so there is space for a previous marriage. I looked for the death of Elizabeth Harvey and found two! So I looked for another marriage and found one for William Harvey and Elizabeth Dennis at Wendron in 1799.
My question has become: did my ancestor marry one, two or three times?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 29, 2012 5:14:25 GMT -5
Zibetha - I have tried to read your post at least five times now and ................... I AM TOTALLY LOST! I can't work out which William Harvey is which, when or where the events happened or which cousin of Ann Trewhela might be involved. I 'think' I have found the Hannibal Orchard marriage in FreeBMD in 1846 but can find nothing else to say where this occurred or just exactly who was involved. Signiatures for comparison and names of witnesses would be handy. And do you know where in Australia this family was? But then you throw in a couple of Roddas which has just confused me even more and I don't know who's just visitin' and who's stayin' but ain't paid the rent! Oh yes, Just which 'my' William are you talking about here and which Mary? I have to go look at something else now or I will go insane! So please help untangle some of it for me. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 29, 2012 5:25:13 GMT -5
Zibetha - maybe I can answer one of your questions anyway.
Crowan - 2nd June 1793 William Harvey and Elizabeth Dennis both signed with a 'mark'.
Wendron - 14th September 1799 William Harvey and Elizabeth Dennis both signed with a 'mark'.
Gwinear - 17th February 1806 William Harvey and Ann Trewhela were both able to sign their name.
In the first two marriages the 'marks' of William Harvey are both significantly different which makes me suspect they are two different men. And with William at Gwinear able to sign his own name it then suggests that we probably have three different men involved.
CT
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Post by zibetha on Jul 29, 2012 20:05:15 GMT -5
You did answer my question, CT, for which I thank you. And I get 2 more William Harveys to deal with. I was trying to give a little background without writing a book! But, you asked, so here’s “the book”-- The letter can be found at: members.iinet.net.au/~kjstew/Orch3-William%20&%20Elizabeth.htm#williamblewett2What I am dealing with here are the families of two of Edward Blewett (abt 1700) and Ann Cocke’s children: their son Edward and their daughter Martha, my 5x great-grandmother and the wife of Thomas Trewhela (as you well know!) FAMILY No.1: Edward Blewett (1730) and wife Elizabeth Williams, had a son, Edward Blewett (1751 Gwithian.) Edward 1751 and wife no.2, Mary Stephens, were the parents of William Blewett born in Gwinear in 1793. William Blewett 1793 was the LETTER WRITER. He married Mary James Thomas*. Their daughter, Elizabeth Blewett 1819 Crowan, married Capt. James Shugg and had a daughter, Mary Blewett Shugg. Little Mary was the FIRESTARTER. Daughter #2, Mary Blewett 1822 died before birth of: Daughter #3, Mary Blewett (b: about 1925 and died in Bassett Town SA in 1906) who married Hannibal Orchard (b: 1819 Mawgan in Meneage died in Gawler River, South Australia 1886) in January of 1846 in Cornwall and sailed to Australia on the Fatima in 1850. William Blewett 1793 wrote the letter to this daughter. Next child is William Blewett 1826, who, when the letter was written, had just married Elizabeth Rodda. They had the following children: Edward, Joseph, Nanny Stevens, John T, Mary and William. I think there may also have been a daughter, Elizabeth in the middle. After Elizabeth RODDA Blewetts’ death, William Blewett married Mary HARVEY Rodda (born abt 1823), and they had 2 children: John and Mary E. *Additional children of William Blewett and Mary Thomas were Edward 1828 (spouse Jochebed Symons), John 1831, twins Ann and Martha 1834, Lavinia 1837, Joseph 1838 (spouse Ann Glasson Richards) emigrated to the US - State of Virginia, and Louisa 1840. FAMILY No.2: Martha Blewett (1737 Gwithian died 1824 Crowan) married Thomas Trewhela. Youngest child was daughter, Anne Trewhela (1781 b: Gwinear, christened Camborne) married William Harvey farmer/innkeeper/butcher and the HERO of the tale (baptised 1773 St Hilary) in 1806 in Gwinear. The youngest child of Anne Trewhela and William Harvey that I had found was Edward Harvey (1820). As Anne would have been 39 in 1820, another child (the mysterious Mary Harvey) in 1821-23 was possible. The WILDCARD: Mary HARVEY Rodda Blewett. Who was she? I have found her to be the daughter of Thomas Harvey and Ann Oatey born about 1821 in Gwinear. She married James Rodda in 1841 and is found on the 1841 Census c/o her parents at “Dreawleas” with a note, crossed out, “husband to go to Italy (He went to Wisconsin-- my birthplace-- nice, but nothing like Italy!) In 1861 she is back in Gwinear with her parents, occupation tailoress, with son Edward who was born in Wisconsin. I believe husband #1, James Rodda, died in Wisconsin. Mary then married widower, William Blewett, in 1862. I suspect James Rodda and Elizabeth Rodda were related but do not think they were siblings. I have enough of a challenge with Harveys to even start thinking about Roddas!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 30, 2012 4:39:35 GMT -5
Okay! I think I might be able to follow that now so will make an attempt to piece things together and see if I can fill in some gaps from the PRs. I would like to find out where this Hannibal Orchard fits in as I have two of that name in my database already (father and son). The younger of those two was baptised at Sithney in 1810 so perhaps he is the man in question. Oh yes - and his mother was a Mary EDDY! Let's see what I can make of it all. And then:- No - I believe there was just one Mary and she was baptised at St Erth 10th November 1822. I can find no other Mary baptised to William and Mary and although there is a burial for an infant Mary Blewett at Gwinear in 1824 I believe this to be the daughter of George and Ann Blewett bp. in 1823. According to the South Australian Death Index Mary Orchard (Blewett) died in April 1906 at the age of 82. If accurate then to be age 82 she would have been born sometime after April 1823. But it must be remembered that we are relying on information supplied in a death/burial record!! Working from the date of baptism (10th November 1822) Mary would have turned 82 about October/November 1904 and would technically have turned 83 around October/November 1905. I reckon that classifies as being within about six months of being a match with the 1906 death index entry. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 30, 2012 5:46:29 GMT -5
Zibetha - what information do you have that suggests Mary Stephens was the second wife of Edward Blewett ..................... or indeed that Edward was married twice? The marriage record in the Gwinear Parish Register merely states that Edward was of St Austell and that Mary was a spinster. It does not specify whether he was a bachelor or widowed. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 1, 2012 5:33:59 GMT -5
Italy?? .................. No! If you look really closely at the original Census form you will find that it actually says 'Husband go to Wales' And here they are in 1850:- 1850 US Census Benton, Lafayette, Wisconsin John RODDA, 32, miner, England Mary do., 29, England Edward do., 2, Wisconsin Sarah A do., 8, Wisconsin This information has provided an approximate birth year for John Rodda and based on that I believe him to be:- John son of John and Martha Rodda bp. 31st August 1817 Gwinear John Rodda of Gwinear married Martha Bartle 24th December 1814 at Crowan You may find it interesting that one of the witnesses to this marriage was a William Blewett although I have not looked yet to see just who he was. It is possible just coincidence but there is the possibility that there may be a connection. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 1, 2012 6:17:06 GMT -5
You mean JOHN Rodda. I provided details of his probably baptism and parentage in my last post but Elizabeth Rodda is a slightly different pot of pilchards! The name of daughter Nanny Stephens Blewett gives the game away a little but we have a slight problem to overcome! Elizabeth was baptised at Crowan 29th June 1828 daughter of Thomas and Ann Rodda BUT WHICH THOMAS AND ANN?? Thomas Rodda married Ann Stephens 15th July 1819 Crowan ORThomas Rodda married Ann Stephens 30th August 1827 Crowan Elizabeth can be found in the 1841 Census with what would appear to be two siblings BUT ........................... she is not with her parents so I have no details of them to work from. CT
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Post by zibetha on Aug 1, 2012 23:26:24 GMT -5
CT--
It still looks like Italy to me, but I'll give you "Wales" -- makes more sense (probably ressembles Wisconsin more, too!)
But looking at the image again, I have to return to the Thomas Trewhela thread---
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 2, 2012 3:40:25 GMT -5
It is definitely 'Wales'! ;D But I can see how it might be seen as Italy. I might be in a position now to identify which Rodda family Elizabeth belonged to also. The earlier family of Thomas Rodda and Ann (Stephens) was still at Crowan in 1841 and 1851 and their daughter Elizabeth was baptised in 1825 and still at home in 1851. That means the wife of William Blewett came from the second marriage although it appears that possibly both her parents had died prior to 1841. It could also be that one parent had died and the other remarried but it may take some sleuthing to sort that out. CT
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Post by Gwinowan on Sept 13, 2015 9:34:08 GMT -5
This one is mere child's play (though if the child in question was Mary Blewett Shugg...). Elizabeth Rodda that married William Blewett was indeed the daughter of the second pair of Thomas and Nanny (Stevens) Rodda couples. Her father, his brother and their brother in law are all in Wales 1841 with various family members about to join them. Thomas in turn was the son of William and Elizabeth (Pascoe) Rodda and not either of the other two pairs of William and Elizabeths producing children in Crowan at the same time! So there is no obvious close connection with John Rodda and Martha of Gwinear. I have a photograph of William Blewett with assorted children, from his great grandson. He is helpfully named in his first father-in-law's will, which I first clapped eyes on back in 1992 :-o See my Roddaboard for more, number 3 in a Google search. I believe MBS perished in a fire in Yackandandah Australia but I would have to check my notes. A Samuel Rodda was a witness (believe nephew of Thomas).
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Post by zibetha on Sept 13, 2015 20:14:53 GMT -5
Thank you for the additional information, Gwinowan. I fear the Mary Blewett Shugg I mentioned in this thread died at age 12 and was the child buried at Gwinear April 3rd, 1857. (OPC)
Zib
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Post by zibetha on Sept 13, 2015 21:41:23 GMT -5
I have made some discoveries since I started this thread. William Harvey Sr's grandsons, William and Edward (my ancestor) both traveled to the US. Their father's biography indicated that William was injured in a mining accident here and returned to England. For many years, I could not definitely identify William due to too many possibilities. That changed when I saw some photos of his (possible?) children on a couple of genealogy sites that bore a stunning resemblance to the older Harvey men I remember in my own family. I corresponded with the person who posted them and (with Mary Chown's guidance) placed the order for the marriage certificate. The information was a match. In the 1891 Census for Gwinear, the entry at Fraddam before that of the household of retired mine agent James Shugg and his wife, the former Elizabeth Blewett, was the household of John Carne. John's family servant was Ruth Shadford, who on April 5th 1894, married my great-great-grandfather's brother, William Harvey. William's residence was the family farm at Carzise in Crowan run at that time by a brother. William and Ruth repeated Harvey family names for their three sons: William, Martin and Edward/Edgar. Z
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 14, 2015 5:23:03 GMT -5
Hi Zib - am I right that the William Harvey who married Ruth Shadford was the one baptised to William Harvey and Mary Hocken at Philliack in 1845?
As this is connected with Ann Trewhela could you send me details of the marriage please? (or perhaps a copy of the certificate?)
CT
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Post by zibetha on Sept 14, 2015 12:24:53 GMT -5
That's correct, CT, and I will send you a copy of the certificate. William and Ruth were married at the Register Office in Helston on April 5, 1894. I just need to figure out where he was during the previous 20 years!
Also on the "Trewhella" side, there are additional Shugg connections. Two of James Shugg's brothers married sisters with Trewhella connections. Thomas Shugg married Mary Bowden, and his brother, William, married Mary's sister, Eliza. The Bowden/Bawden sisters were daughters of Edward Bawden and Margaret Trewhella.
Edward Bawden, William Harvey and Matthew Trewhella (Riviera Farm) were neighbors in Phillack. The way I see it, Edward, Matthew, and William's wife, Ann Trewhela, are related via the Cocke family. I think you are stuck with me as a relative whether or not or until the lineage of Christopher Trewhela can be proven.
Zib
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