My gg grandfather, Thomas HOSKING emigrated to South Australia with his parents in 1847. He was born in Ludgvan in 1842 to Thomas and Mary nee CADDY (Mary was born in Gulval in 1813). Thomas and Mary were married in Ludgvan in 1832 and had 3 other children; Mary (1834), James (1837) & Elizabeth (1840). I haven't traced any further back at this stage as I'm finding the number of Thomas Hoskings in Cornwall rather daunting! I have a number of possibles for Thomas Hosking snr as I know he was born c 1808.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 23, 2012 6:36:09 GMT -5
Hi Amanda and Welcome to the site.
I have had a look at this problem and it is not difficult to see why you are stuck! There are a number of things that are confusing matters including the South Australian Passenger Lists, the ages of Thomas and Mary as recorded in 1841, the number and names of the children and also the names of Mary Caddy's parents. And none of this is helped by the fact that the family left Cornwall before the 1851 Census!
The site 'Passenger Lists South Australia' shows three different Thomas Hoskings arriving in South Australia with two of those have a wife named as Mary. It appears your family is the one with the wife mistakenly identified as Mary JAMES!
Thomas Hosking and Mary James were married at Lelant in 1830 and had quite a number of children through the 1830s and 1840s. (But they have not helped either as they also seem to disappear by 1851.) Unfortunately that South Australian site contains many such errors. And I think the reason is that those adding the information are quoting from works (e.g. family histories, historical biographies) compiled many years earlier. Those compiling the earlier works had the same problem that many of us have today which is that there is still a lot of information (Parish Registers) not yet readily available. The Thomas Hosking/Mary Caddy marriage took place at Ludgvan and from 1813 onwards it is mostly only baptisms that have been available on IGI with only a scattering of marriages. Hence the marriage to Mary James was 'claimed' because it was the only one that seemed to match the other available records.
You stated that Mary Caddy was 'born' at Gulval in 1813. She stated in 1841 that she was age 29 so I suspect she was actually born about 1811 or perhaps 1812. 1813 was when she was baptised. Based on those details she does 'appear' to be the only possible Mary Caddy but it is the names of her parents, Robert and Joan, that are aiding the confusion and uncertainty given that neither name appears among the children of Thomas and Mary Hosking.
So the first question is - were there any other children born after the family left Cornwall?
The next thing causing some headaches is what appears to be another child that was previously unknown to you.
James son of Thomas and Mary Hosking bp. 28th July 1833 Ludgvan (born 23rd June)
This is undoubtedly the same family and the next child, Mary, was not born until 20th December 1834 and baptised 4th January 1835. This then meant that there were two sons given the name James which opens the logical possibility that James was the name of Thomas Hosking's father. But two things are upsetting the applecart here:-
1. I can find no baptism for a Thomas Hosking son of James anywhere in the right time-frame. 2. There is another entry in the Ludgvan Parish Register that makes it unclear whether the child was actually James.
Given the James you know was born 23rd April 1837 and only one James appears in the 1841 Census it means that this earlier child must have died pfior to 1837. And now comes the little problem!
The only burial I can find is:-
Thomas Hosking of Newtown age 11 mths buried 5th February 1834 Ludgvan
The only family this child could belong to appears to be Thomas and Mary and Newtown is where they were living when the next two children, Mary and James, were born. But to be age 11 months in February 1834 means that this child would have been born about March of 1833 yet the baptism for James clearly records that he was born in June 1833. I am sure this must be the same child and I suspect that James will be the correct name but it may not be possible to prove. The age problem is understandable given that 'seven' and 'eleven' can sound quite similar. Perhaps 'seven' was the age given to the Vicar but he misunderstood and wrote 'eleven' instead.
IF that child was really James then the argument for that being the name of Thomas Hosking's father is quite reasonable but unfortunately no match can be found. Somehow we need to find some more information and clues.
I think the best thing you can do right now is to provide me with ALL the information you possibly can about the family once they arrived in Australia. I don't mean down to the present day but certainly everything you know about them up to about 1900 might be helpful.
When and where did Thomas and Mary die and what information is provided? Do you know of any other relatives in Australia around the same time? Any other children born in Australia along with details.
Anything at all that you can think of might provide a clue.
First of all a big apology for taking so long to reply! Thank you for the information.
I have done a bit of research into other Hosking families in South Australia in the hope of finding a link with my family but nothing yet!
Upon arriving in SA in 1847 the family disappears until 1850 when Thomas is married again. His new wife in Margaret Wolfe, and they go on to have two children, Margaret Ann and William. The marriage record states Thomas as being a widow though I can't find any death or burial notices for Mary. I think Thomas died 11/9/1883 in Adelaide though no relative is given on the death notice. He was 73, and had been in the colony for 36 years.
I too thought it was strange that if Mary's parents are Robert and Joan Caddy that none of her children (or grandchildren) bear their names. The only other name that appears in my tree as regularly as James and Thomas is 'George'. All 3 of Thomas snr sons named one of their sons 'George' which makes me think that maybe there was an uncle or a brother I haven't found yet with the name?! Or maybe they all just liked the name!
It is quite possible I've missed children of both Thomas and Mary and Thomas and Margaret as the family did move around a lot in the early years. I've found newspaper articles that point at Thomas and Margaret taking the children to the Californian goldrush in late 1850! If a child was born or died in a Californian shanty town I doubt I'd ever find records!
My dad told me he always thought our family came from St Ives though I haven't found any link yet.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 29, 2012 23:09:37 GMT -5
Hi Amanda - don't be concerned about the delayed response. I appreciate that you were trying to find more information that might help us solve the problem.
I have read your message a couple of times and have looked at some Australian records. But I have to wonder now whether you might be getting two families confused.
The SA Marriage Index entry for Thomas Hosking and Margaret Wolff shows that they were married 7th January 1850. But there is one slight but glaring piece of information included that throws the scenario into confusion!
When Thomas Hosking and Margaret Wolff were married Thomas Hosking's age was recorded as 26! That would mean, if correct, that this man would have been born about 1823!
Even if the age should have been 36 he would still have been born about 1813 yet you say your Thomas was born about 1808! This certainly needs to be investigated further.
You mention that the family apparently went to the Californian goldfields in late 1850. Gold was discovered in California in 1848 so it may be possible that the date of 1850 is incorrect and as you cannot find a death/burial for Mary in Australia have you considered that she may have died in America?
I too thought they were different families at first, though they lived in the same area of South Australia, until I found a wedding notice that states Margaret Hosking, youngest daughter of Thomas Hosking was married at the 'residence of bride's sister Mrs. Fry, Rosewater SA' Mrs. Fry is Elizabeth, a daughter from Thomas Hosking's first marriage. But that doesn't explain why on Thomas and Margaret's marriage record, Thomas' age is wrong. I'm also starting to question if he was even widowed....
Australia has an online site called TROVE that contains lots of digitised old newspapers. While it's not official records I've found it has help a lot with obituaries and family notices etc. In August 1848 a Thomas Hosking of Burra took out an ad in the South Australian newspaper stating he would not be responsible for any debts incurred by his 'unfaithful wife' as she had run off with another man and left her husband and four children behind!
Burra was a mining town and many Cornish immigrants, including my family, started their new life in South Australia at the mines there so no doubt there were many Thomas Hoskings in the area, but it is a possibility.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 16, 2012 6:44:32 GMT -5
Hi Amanda, I am tied up for the next couple of days with fire brigade stuff but I will certainly try to look more closely at your dilemma. The additional information you have provided may help find some answers.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 22, 2012 2:51:40 GMT -5
All 3 of Thomas snr sons named one of their sons 'George'
Amandah - it might help if you could elaborate a little on this and provide me some more information about the family.
The only children I have for Thomas and Mary are James (1833), Mary (1834), James (1837), Elizabeth (1840) and Thomas (1842). The first James is possibly an error and could be the Thomas buried in 1834 but in any case there was another James in 1837.
So I have but TWO sons to Thomas whereas you state that THREE sons of Thomas all named a son as GEORGE.
I need to know the names of ALL the children you have for Thomas and Mary along with details of who you have as spouses. From this I might be able to construct a better picture of the family which 'might' lead me to some of the answers.
Thomas Hosking and Mary Caddy arrived in South Australia in 1847 on the La belle Alliance with 4 children (Mary, James, Elizabeth and Thomas). After that I can find no record for either Mary the mother or Mary the eldest daughter. In 1850 I believe Thomas remarried to Margaret Wolfe and had two more children - Margaret Ann born c1853 and William born 21/9/1855.
Mary - no further records found
Elizabeth - married Charles Fry in Adelaide in 1860, remarried later in life to Charles White. Died 1896, South Australia.
James - married Harriet Ann Middleton in 1861. He died in Adelaide in 1916. Had two children, the son's name was Thomas George Hosking.
Thomas (my gg grandfather) - married Margaret Lowrie in Adelaide in 1865. Had 9 children including a James William, Thomas John, George Ernest and my great grandfather Horace Edgar. Thomas died age 71 in 1913.
Margaret - married Richard James Lamming at Rosewater on 30th March 1876. She died in 1945 aged 92. I haven't been able to find her birth records but it is possible she wasn't born in South Australia but rather in Victoria.
William's birth records exist but his marriage records I haven't been able to find. He married Jean Brown and had 4 daughters and a son, George Thomas Hosking. He died in 1914.
My next stop in the Victorian records to see if I can fill in a couple of the gaps!
Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 2, 2012 21:44:51 GMT -5
Hi Amanda - I will try and work on the additional information and see what I can find. I am slowed down a bit at the moment and reduced to one hand to type and do everything else but let's see ho I go. I did have a quick look at the Victorian BMDs but found no sign of Margaret or of a marriage for William. Will try again later and look for 'odd' spelling and also try and check some NSW records.
Any chance the family might have spent a short time in NZ?