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Post by sue on May 19, 2012 14:24:02 GMT -5
I was looking at a few late 19th century "stray" Curnows I had, one Willie Curnow age 7 Halsetown 1901 with mother Ruth Curnow & her mother Jemima Jenkin specifically. This led me straight back to the children of William Curnow~Maria Newton, who had Zenobia/Sinai recently mentioned as marrying in U.S. Their Jemima Curnow baptized 25 April 1855 of Halsetown married John Rowe 1876 I believe, 2 children found, Ruth James Rowe born June Q 1877 with gparents Wm~Maria in 1881, mother Jemima 1881 with Edith Zenobia Rowe baptized 12 Oct 1879. Now, Jemima remarries Sep Q 1888 Plymouth RD to one widowed Thomas Jenkyn, a merchant of St Ives, & they can be seen in 1891 Halsetown ages 37 and 72.....  Barnoon has an MI for, as I read it, William & Maria Curnow, daughter Jemima, gdaughters Ruth & Edith together. It is Ruth who intrigues me..... She seems to marry in the Mar Q 1895 in Plympton RD away from home, to a William James Curnow - could well be a cousin I haven't yet a positive I.D for.  Son William Thomas Curnow is baptized 2 May 1897 Halsetown to Ruth & Wm James Curnow mine clerk, & 1901 is with mother Ruth & widowed granny Jemima in Halsetown, Jemima's brother William Curnow & wife Sarah next door... Ruth's husband not present, but fairly commonplace with them there miners. Thing is, by 1911 Ruth has a 2nd son, a Wallace Curnow supposedly born c1904 St Ives, but I can't find his birth  and Ruth is living at Nevada Terrace Heamoor Penzance married "under 1 year" to an Irish journalist, Henry Barrett. Nearest marriage I can find is Sep Q 1911 Ruth J Curnow to Michael T Barrett - hmmm...  ; although Barnoon has her buried 25 December 1946 as Ruth James Curnow, which is also her name at death in FBMD. A bit of googling found me an old genealogy post perhaps by a descendant, which says " Ruth married William James Curnow and went to America with him.....Ruth returned but
I dont know if her husband did......she certainly did not live with him, she then sailed on the ship 'SOPHOCLE'S' to Cape Town with a man with the surname of Jory and returned back home to Halsetown just before her mothers' death in 1909....Ruth had 2 sons William Thomas Curnow and Wallace Charles Jory Curnow" . Sounds like a Mr Jory was the father of young Wallace then, after husband William James Curnow & before Irishman Mr Barrett....  I can't see 1st husband William James Curnow in censuses yet, UK or U.S........ Sue |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 20, 2012 3:42:55 GMT -5
Sue - I have had only a brief look at this little problem but I think I can probably identify William James Curnow for you.  You say the marriage to Ruth took place in the Plympton R.D. in 1895 so as Ruth was with her mother in 1901 with no sign of a husband I decided to take a look a little earlier to see what I could find. 1891 Census - Charles, Devon Thomas CURNOW, head, mar., 51, fish buyer, Newlyn W., Cornwall Ellen do., wife, mar., 52, Newlyn W. William J do., son, unm, 21, fish buyer, Newlyn W. Ellen do., daur, unm, 26, Newlyn W. Bessie do., daur, unm, 18, boot machinist, Newlyn W. Emily do., daur, unm, 18, outfitter & machinist, Newlyn W. Thomas Charles Curnow married Ellen Nicholls 25th December 1859 at Paul. Thomas was baptised 14th April 1839 at Paul son of James Curnow and Jane Cock Curnow with families being from the Paul area. I would suggest this is very likely your William James Curnow. William is recorded in 1891 as a 'fish buyer' which seems a little strange if he was a 'mine clerk' in 1897. But then the term 'fish buyer' might be used a little loosely also and he may still have been, basically, a 'clerk'. Thing is that in 1891 he is in the right place as it were. He was then living at 'Charles' which would be Charles the Martyr, Plymouth which appears to border the Registration Districts of Plymouth and Plympton St Mary. Parts of Charles were transferred to the Plymouth R.D. in 1897. CT |
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Post by londoner on May 20, 2012 5:35:41 GMT -5
UK incoming passenger lists has a Ruth Curnow age 21, housewife arriving from US on "Luciana" 28 Oct 1896. no sign of William James.
Unless there is another Ruth of similar age this could be her.
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Post by sue on May 20, 2012 16:48:40 GMT -5
Well CT, that's a suggestion for identity of Wm James Curnow that I wouldn't have considered, I'm so into encountering close family marriages at the minute!  So thankyou. Right place, absolutely. And how blinkered am I: I wouldn't have considered a “fish buyer†1891 for a chap who was a “mine clerk†at time of son's 1897 baptism - but of course Ruth's stepfather was a fish merchant, so there's an immediate feasible link. (And interestingly, that Wm James Curnow's sister Ellen was at her 1864 baptism of Halsetown at that time.) And as you say, admin in the fish business, then admin in the mining business, perhaps not such a huge difference..... ;D That's interesting as to the arrival back in the UK of a Ruth Curnow 1896, Londoner. That will be her, yes, thanks. Could be she and husband Wm J Curnow simply chose to lose contact over the years, or maybe he died in U.S., don't know. Given son's baptism date of May 1897, Ruth was certainly pregnant during that voyage back to England October 1896, and with no more children by that father, she may never have seen him again. I haven't yet found what looks like him in 1900 U.S.; nearest possible sighting I have is a married William J Curnow miner (labourer?) age 24 in 1898, from Halstown, sailing to US, destination Calumet Michigan, alone, as an American citizen... Okay, some progress thanks to you good people, then! Sue |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 21, 2012 2:38:20 GMT -5
Sue - you will find Thomas and Ellen Curnow living at Halsetown in 1861 with daughter Mary Jane, age 1, born St Ives. Given that Ellen was baptised in 1864 with her abode recorded as Halsetown it would seem they spent some time in that area before returning to Paul. In 1871 the family is at Paul Hill, Newlyn and there is another son born between Mary Jane and Ellen. Thomas C Curnow was age 9 in 1871 but all children are recorded as having been born at Newlyn. No baptism found for Mary Jane or Thomas C but will do some more looking. I will also look into the immigration record you found. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 21, 2012 2:46:31 GMT -5
Penzance Bible Christian Circuit Register Thomas Charles son of Thomas and Ellen Curnow of St Ives baptised 8th July 1862 Bible Christian Chapel, Halsetown Well that's one of 'em! CT |
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Post by sue on May 21, 2012 5:29:18 GMT -5
Right, so that's: Ellen 4 Aug 1864 Thomas Charles 8 July 1862 William James 7 Dec 1869 Emily & Bessie (Eliz Warren) 21 Apr 1873. so baptisms found for all but the 1st, Mary Jane. Mmm, I now remember this family from when I was doing my "All 1911 Curnows†project..... because born St Ives living Plymouth stood out for Thomas Charles Curnow widowed fish dealer, daughters Florence & Dorothy, which TC Curnow I then connected to father Thomas fish buyer in Plymouth, himself by then with a 23 years younger 2nd wife Lucy, a fish chip saleswoman. And indeed I see I had not identified the presence anywhere in the UK of Thomas~Ellen's other son, William James Curnow of 1869. Good. Sue |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 21, 2012 7:19:59 GMT -5
Maybe not so good! The 1891 Census was taken on the night of April 5th at which time at Charles, Devon we have Thomas and Ellen Curnow with four of their children including son William J who, like his father, is recorded as a 'fish buyer'. At this point it looks like it is this William J Curnow who married Ruth at Plympton in 1891. Paul Parish Registerby Banns 27th July 1891 at PaulWilliam James CURNOW, 21, bachelor, fish buyer, residence Paul, son of Thomas Curnow, fish buyer Annie PEARCE, 20, spinster, residence Paul, daughter of Henry Pearce, labourer (deceased) Witnesses:- William Carter, William Carter 1901 Census Brixham, Devon William J CURNOW, head, marr, 31, fish buyer, Newlyn, Cornwall Annie do., wife, marr, 30, Plymouth, Devon William do., son, 6, Brixham Arthur T do., son, 5, Brixham BUGGER!!!!  CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 21, 2012 8:07:15 GMT -5
Sue - there is another William James Curnow who might just fit the bill! James Curnow (illegitmate son of Mary) bp. December 1844 Zennor married Christian Martin 19th March 1871 at Halsetown Hannah James bp. 21st April 1872 Towednack (born 3rd April) Beatrice Mary bp. 19th August 1874 Towednack (born 15th July Halsetown) William James bp. 16th September 1877 St Ewe age 1yr 5mo Edith Martin bp. 16th September 1877 St Ewe (born 27th July Creed) buried 6th October 1878 St Mewan There is the Halsetown connection and he was born early 1876 which would put him 'close' to the right age to be the William J Curnow heading back to America in 1898. Thing is that we don't know if that is William James or William John Curnow. However, James and Christian cannot be found anywhere after the burial of Edith in 1878! CT |
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Post by sue on May 21, 2012 13:16:30 GMT -5
Shame, I was warming to the idea of branching out away from cousins 1st & 2nd! And mea culpa, I now see Wm J fish merchant, wife & 4 children - including a daughter Ellen - sitting in Brixham in my 1911 records, & I have simply been blind to them till now. Going back to the marriage I have for Ruth James Rowe Mar Q 1895 Plympton RD to a William James Curnow, I am pretty confident that must be her, the daughter of Jemima Rowe nee Curnow, given the rarity of Ruth James Rowes AND the baptism May 1897 Halsetown of a son to William James & Ruth James Curnow. It is odd that both Ruth in 1895 & her mother Jemima 2nd time around in 1888 both married in the Plymouth area, Ruth to a mine clerk, not a Plymouth speciality, and Jemima to a St Ives man. When I 1st checked my records for a Wm James Curnow to be Ruth's husband, the young chappie of James & Christian did pop up. But with no sightings of that family as you say post Edith's burial 1878 St Mewan, can't dismiss him, can't count him in either.... The son baptized to WJ & Ruth is named William Thomas Curnow. But I don't have a William James son of William Thomas Curnow staring me in the face as an obvious candidate to marry Ruth.  Going back to the tried & tested business of marrying cousins , Ruth's mother Jemima had several brothers amongst her 10 siblings, & I haven't yet got a future for James Towednack 1837 & John Zennor 1846 after the 1861 census; although I do know that brother William 1840 Zennor also disappears (to me) after 1861, only to reappear in 1901 Halsetown next door (well, a few unoccupied houses in between...) to sister Jemima as a retired tin miner with a wife Sarah born Lelant – I rather think perhaps the marriage Mar Q 1896 Penzance RD of Wm Curnow to Sarah Curnow, she seemingly of Henry & Charlotte of Lelant (a widow back at Balnoon in 1911). If that is the marriage of William brother of Jemima, he was 56 at the time & had years from 1861 to 1896 to have had a previous marriage somewhere in the world with children that could have included a William James to have returned to Halsetown for a bit with/like father, & married cousin Ruth. As could sons of Jemima's other brothers, but with William 1840, at least we know he came back to Halsetown. There is, for example, a Wm Curnow 52 & son Wm Curnow 19 in the Michigan 1894 State census. Anyway, I may have to leave Ruth's husband as a mystery man for a while, as I shan't be purchasing a marriage certificate. Sue |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 21, 2012 16:59:17 GMT -5
Sue - a new picture is forming but it may take me a while to get all the pieces together. It revolves around a William J Curnow born in New Jersey about 1874/5 but links with some other families need to be followed through to see where they lead. The most interesting item I am working from at the moment is the 1900 US Census where William J Curnow is recorded as a 'son-in-law' although I don't believe there is any way he could be married to a daughter of the family he was with. But so far I am being led through Gundry, Gribble and Rowe families with an Elizabeth Curnow mentioned as a mother to one of the grooms. Oh, yes - there does seem to be another RUTH ROWE involved! ;D I may end up sending you an email with much of this but will see how things progress. CT |
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Post by londoner on May 22, 2012 4:23:55 GMT -5
The most interesting item I am working from at the moment is the 1900 US Census where William J Curnow is recorded as a 'son-in-law' although I don't believe there is any way he could be married to a daughter of the family he was with. CT Dont forget son-in-law often was used instead of "step-son" could his mother be in the family ? |
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Post by londoner on May 22, 2012 4:39:05 GMT -5
But there again would he be the son of William & Laura in the 1880 US census?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 22, 2012 4:55:56 GMT -5
Londoner - I spent a lot of time last night and through this morning working on a theory for Sue. The time it took and the length made it more sensible to confine to an email for now. I am sending you a copy as an email attachment and would welcome any thoughts or comments you might have. CT |
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and Ruth is living at Nevada Terrace Heamoor Penzance married "under 1 year" to an Irish journalist, Henry Barrett. 
; although Barnoon has her buried 25 December 1946 as Ruth James Curnow, which is also her name at death in FBMD.
