Post by calswimmer on Apr 28, 2012 20:34:06 GMT -5
What do you suppose happened to Charlotte Behenna who married John Perry in Gwinear in 1837? Is the John Perry she married the same one who married Mary (possibly Mary Webb) by the 1851 census and became a master mariner, finally settling in Gloucestershire, home of his wife? I see some possible connections, especially that that latter John Perry was born in Phillack. I don't see a death record or census record for Charlotte, unless she is in Somerset in 1851 and her husband's name has become George, which is of course possible.
Post by calswimmer on Apr 29, 2012 11:32:03 GMT -5
Right! Silly me. I was thinking about Gwinear. John Perry of Phillack was born 1801, and it appears he is child of Francis Perry and Jane Thomas. He was a master mariner, and by 1851 is married to Mary of Bristol, Gloucestershire. John Perry finally dies in Westbury, Gloucestershire. In the 1881 census Georgiana Thomas is living with him. She is the Georgiana who was visiting John Victor in Somerset in 1861, her job being house proprietor, which she held in Gloucestershire in other censuses. John Victor in 1841 lives with the Bohenna family in Halsetown. I don't know if it would be the same John Perry as married to Charlotte or not, but it seems possible. In any case I wonder what happened to Charlotte.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 29, 2012 19:13:08 GMT -5
Well then Calswimmer - we do seem to have a dilemma!
The witnesses to the marriage of John Perry and Charlotte Bohenna, in particular Eliza Penberthy, seem to confirm that she was indeed the daughter of Thomas and Catherine in which case she was baptised at St Ives 19th September 1802. With her parents married in 1796 and three elder siblings it is probable that Charlotte was born within about 6 months or her baptism but certainly not before 1800 I should think.
And that makes the following from FamilySearch just a little awkward:-
Charlotte Perry buried 7th June 1837 St Paul, Bristol, Gloucestershire
Charlotte Perry buried 7th June 1837 Bristol, Gloucestershire age 43
There are actually three entries for this event in FamilySearch and each of them is different! The first one is as above with the Parish names as St Paul and in this entry there is no mention of her age.
The other two entries are 'near identical' except that one has provision to say 'marital status unknown'. But both of these show her age as 43 which indicates she should have been born around 1794.
This is the only burial I can find in Cornwall or Gloucestershire for a Charlotte Perry so you might expect that it should be the wife of John. And it is just three months after the marriage. The other point to consider is that it is also prior to the 1841 Census in which there appears to be no sign of Charlotte.
Leaving that dilemma just for a moment to display the other item I found which also helps narrow down when Charlotte may have died. This is again from FamilySearch:-
John PERRY, son of Francis Perry, married Mary GOODHIND, daughter of George Goodhind, 19th March 1842 at St Nicholas, Bristol, Gloucestershire
Niece Mary Webb therefore must be the daughter of a sibling of either John or Mary.
That record is reasonable evidence that it is indeed the same John Perry. After all, I don't think there were too many men around at that time with the name Francis Perry!, at least not in Cornwall where John was born.
So we know that Charlotte must have died sometime after her marriage in March 1837 and sometime before John's second marriage in March 1842. And given she cannot be found in 1841 then she must have died before June of that year.
The burial above is 'in the right place' but there is the problem of her age which suggests that it cannot be the right Charlotte Perry. Of the other burials between 1837 and 1842 there are some in Staffordshire, Hertfordshire, Kent, Liverpool and Westminster in London which I think we can probably ignore quite safely.
And that leaves two:-
Charlotte Perry buried 23rd February 1840 Dowlish Lake, Somerset (no indication of her age)
Charlotte Perry age 37 buried 16th February 1838 St Giles, Reading, Berkshire
This last one I would think is just about right and of all that I have found is the most likely to be the one you want.
But I suggest you do not rely on FamilySearch or my word for it! Try to get a look at some originals of these if possible or at least some transcripts done by someone completely independent of the LDS people. By doing that you will at least know there are two separate sources you can quote.
BTW - Somerset and Berkshire both link geographically with Gloucestershire at some point.
Post by calswimmer on Apr 29, 2012 20:23:43 GMT -5
Thanks! That is an amazing amount of information. I have come to the conclusion that Charlotte must have died shortly after the marriage. In later years, there are references to the six Bohenna sisters, and if she were alive that would make at least seven. So it may be that it is the same John Perry of Phillack who married her and then married Mary. It is a little puzzling that she would wait until she is in her 30's to get married. You made a lot of good points and suggestions, so I am going to reread them and see what more I can figure out.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 30, 2012 4:16:16 GMT -5
It is a little puzzling that she would wait until she is in her 30's to get married.
Not everyone got married at the 'appropriate age' and many women did not marry at all.
Besides ................ on a scale of 1 to 10 for good looks maybe she was minus 5! ;D But really, there could be any number of reasons that she did not marry until later. She would have been 34 but remember that Sarah was 30 also when she married.
Well, that is interesting. Thanks for that. I notice in the 1841 census that Jane Behenna is a servant in the same household as Mary Goodhind. Jane's age is right to be the one who married John Victor.