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Post by davidkingmartin on Mar 14, 2008 9:34:14 GMT -5
This thread is intended to be of any assistance to anyone researching the name. I have some personal data ( b.certs., photos etc) relating to a branch of my family.
Sarah Louisa King b1881, Hants, d1950, buried Ludgvan with husband Joseph Martin, d.1949. (my grandfather).
Sarah had many siblings, born various places in Hants. and Dorset. Details available. Sarah attended the Madron Daniel School in 1891. History of the School ( booklet) available.
Sarah`s parents were not Cornish by birth. Father William Beeney King b.VOP., Wilts 1853 (b.cert. in my possession), living in Turnworth, Dorset 1876 (gamekeeper), m.Thirza Mehala Ross 1876 Belchalwell, moved to Hants (gamekeeper again) and thence to Boswarthen, Cornwall by 1891 (photo. avail.).
Sarah`s brother John (6 in 1901) was i/c Home Farm at Trengwainton, home of the Bolitho family (now Nat Trust?) before moving to Penhale, Newbridge (Penzance).....
William Beeney`s father is not named on the b.cert. Mother named as Sarah King.
The Ross family came to Dorset from Scotland. I have a massive "tree" of hundreds of names...
David.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 14, 2008 10:01:24 GMT -5
Very interesting David but must leave it until later to discuss given I am so damned tired at the moment.  But I notice your King family was at Trengwainton and this is most interesting. This is a place where Trewhella people were employed for many years as gardeners. I need to look at this when I am much less tired and able to think clearly. I am also trying to remember directions to Trengwainton. Without trying to find maps I seem to remember driving North from Gulval to the main road (a T-Intersection) and that Trengwainton was almost directly opposite. Memories .......... |
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Post by davidkingmartin on Mar 15, 2008 9:48:32 GMT -5
I used to attend school in Gulval, walking across Kenegie Long Field from Trezelah....left the area in 1952.
Trengwainton (house and gardens) used to be owned by the Bolitho family. According to my sources, W B King, father of John King mentioned in an earlier posting, was gamekeeper at Trengwainton in 1891 but I cannot authenticate this fact from any other source: not in Kelly`s Directory,etc. WBK was "brought down" from the New Forest (Hants) by the Bolitho family.
Also: WBK "coached" the future Edward V11 in shooting and archery. I am working on this one....
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 16, 2008 8:40:25 GMT -5
Most interesting stuff here.  But my memories of Trengwainton do not actually involve Trezelah (although I have been through there). My maps are still in boxes at the moment - however I am sure we are talking about different roads here. Let us (again from memory) start with Gulval Church and face North. There is a Pub on the corner to the West. If you drive East from the Church the road winds through the Village and heads North before coming to a T-Intersection. Turning left takes you through (I think) Carfury and on to places such as Lamorna and St Levan. Turning right brings you back towards Ludgvan etc. Memory tells me that Trengwainton (or part of) was directly opposite this particular road out of Gulval. Once I have my maps unearthed I will know better but .......... More of this later. You have awakened memories of King families connected to the Trewhella family.  But these King people seem to have been from St Hilary but that is something else I need to work on some day when I have time and resources. Ian |
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Post by davidkingmartin on Mar 16, 2008 12:48:54 GMT -5
If I stumble upon a Trewhella/King link, I shall let you know.
Incidentally, the Bolitho family in Cornwall is worth exploring, should there be anyone with "connections" out there....They were very much part of the local "gentry" in Penwith, owning a lot of property in the area in the 1800s. Many references in Kellys Directory, the West Briton newspaper etc.. They may have owned/leased farm land and sub-let to tenant farmers.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 16, 2008 13:50:50 GMT -5
Yes - I have come across the Bolitho name many times although I don't recall any 'direct' links to Trewhellas (var.) by marriage. There may well be links by association, however, which would be very interesting to pursue. We must discuss this some time.  |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 16, 2008 13:54:39 GMT -5
Yes - I have come across the Bolitho name many times although I don't recall any 'direct' links to Trewhellas (var.) by marriage. There may well be links by association, however, which would be very interesting to pursue. We must discuss this some time. BTW - The KING connection stems from Alice KING bn. St Hilary c. 1833 but of Madron when she married John TREWHELLA at Madron in 1855. She appears to have been the daughter of James and Mary KING of whom I know little. Alice appears to have had, amongst other siblings, a brother named Richard Pearce KING who I believe married one Mary James PEAKE in 1859. (no further details currently known) Interesting to note that among their 10 known children was a daughter named Ann Rebecca TREWHELLA KING! Another line I must pursue further as I get the chance. Thanks again. Ian |
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Post by davidkingmartin on Mar 21, 2008 10:34:14 GMT -5
My "hidden agenda" in starting this King thread is to try to establish the parentage of William Beaney King b.1853 Collingbourne Ducis, Pewsey, Wilts. He moved to Dorset, then Hants., then Madron, Cornwall, where he died (1937). He had many children, incl. John (aged 6, 1901) who is said to have been "i/c Home Farm, Trengwainton". Other children incl. Tom and Ross William, and daughters incl. my g-mother Sarah Louise King (Martin).
Out there in cyberspace somewhere, there may be someone in Cornwall..eg living relatives...who knows something about William Beaney/Beeney K.:
No father named on b.cert. (which I possess), but father named in church marriage record (1876, Sturminster): William, gamekeeper.
Various "family stories" on record which are contradictory, one of which reads like something out of Lady Chatterley (father a gamekeeper, mother the daughter of an aristo. etc).WBK was a gamekeeper, 1891, Trengwainton, for the Bolithos.
WBK may have known "the truth" and confided in someone..My late father says he was "told" when a small child, but it meant nothing to a child.
My guess is that mother Sarah on the Birth Cert. is simply an unmarried mum and daughter of a William and Harriet, also of Pewsey, right time and place, with a child Sarah, William listed as a gamekeeper. Sarah subsequently disappears from the radar.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 21, 2008 14:31:05 GMT -5
I will try to keep this in my 'radar' and see if anything 'confronts me'. I am gathering more and more PR information for West Cornwall but have not had a chance to search through it yet. Will let you know if I find anything of interest. Might also be worth trying to make contact with FHS groups in the areas you have mentioned outside Cornwall to see if they may have some information to help. |
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Post by davidkingmartin on Sept 4, 2008 8:08:13 GMT -5
CT: As far as I know, "my" King relatives did not appear in Cornwall until the 1880s (Sarah L.King, born Hants.1882, moved to Cornwall. Many siblings and children. She married Joseph Martin (b1875), my grandfather.He is buried at Ludgvan. Sarah`s parents were married in Dorset but both died in Cornwall.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 5, 2008 5:28:03 GMT -5
David - I presume you have checked Census records for your William King but, just in case, I have just found something of possible interest. From what you have outlined I believe this to be your William. 1861 Census - Wiltshire Ecclesiastical District of Christ Church Parish of Souoth Savernake Extra Parochial Lutons Lye William KING, head, mar, 59, Game Keeper, Wilts., Gt Bedwyn Harriet do., wife, mar, 55, Berks., Ilfracombe John W do., son, 19, Game Keeper, Wilts., South Savernake Elizabeth A do., daur, 12, Scholar, Wilts., South Savernake WILLIAM do., GRANDSON, 7, Scholar, Wilts., Collingbourne Ducis George W(?) Lambourne, visitor, 2, Yorks., Reading In 1851 William and Harriet were at Eightwalks Cottage, South Savernake. With them were children Ellen, 16, Thomas, 12, John, 9, and Elizabeth A, 2. In 1841 they were at Savernake Lodge, Burbage, Wilts. William King, 35, Keeper Harriet do., 30 James do.,12 SARAH do., 10 Alfred do., 8 Ellen do., 6 Thomas do., 3 There is your answer David. In 1851 there are two Sarah Kings who could have been the daughter of William but it is difficult to tell which might be her. One is a Servant at Clifton, Gls. and the other is visiting a lady named Rankin and her daughter in Hampshire. I cannot, so far, identify William in 1871 but I think the above should suffice for now. |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 5, 2008 5:32:09 GMT -5
An addition regarding William's marriage.
You say that he named his father as William King, gamekeeper.
From what I outlined in my last it would appear that young William was raised by his grandparents with his grandfather, William, being a gamekeeper.
I would suggest that it was actually his grandfather who was named on the Marriage Certificate as 'father'.
I have seen this before and also have a copy of a Birth Certificate on which the parents of the child, as named on the BC, were actually the grandparents.
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Post by davidkingmartin on Sept 6, 2008 5:37:53 GMT -5
CT: your suggestion that William B.King`s grandfather (1861 Census) is in fact his father (Marr. Cert. 1876) seems the most plausible, although it is tempting to identify Sarah, born 1831 and daughter of William and Harriet, as a single mother, father unknown.
WBK`s father was still a relatively young man in 1853; his youngest child, Elizabeth, was aged 2 on the 1851 Census. Harriet would have been in her early `40s. I think William was "playing away" with a lady called "Sarah"...so I should be looking for her, but not as the child of William/Harriet.
One written account that I have has Sarah being sent to a convent in Paris where she remained for the rest of her life and that WBK tried to see her....
WBK taught the future King Edward archery and shooting, but that is another story....or a legend. He died, Madron, Cornwall, 1937.If there is a King relative out there somewhere, then you may be able to cooberate some of these stories....
David.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 7, 2008 0:05:14 GMT -5
David - I am not suggesting that William King senior (husband of Harriet) was actually WBK's father (as named on the Marriage Certificate). My reading of the whole scenario is that WBK was the illegitimate son of Sarah King, daughter of William and Harriet. When a Birth Certificate furnishes the name of mother only it is inevitably the case of an illegitimate birth. Sometimes on a Marriage Certificate you will find the name of the father omitted and this is sometimes, but not always, a case of the bride or groom being illegitimate. But it is also the case that a name given was not the name of the actual father. It appears that young William was brought up by his grandparents and that may be the reason he used (I think) his grandfather's name as 'father' when he married. The fact that Sarah King is named as mother on his birth certificate and that William and Harriet had a daughter Sarah who would have been about the right age to be WBK's mother supports my theory. And your comments about Sarah having been 'sent away' also make some sense especially given I can find no further trace of her. For the name of William's actual father I would suggest the possibility that his surname was 'Beaney'. Another way of possibly proving my theory one way or the other would be to track down and obtain a copy of the Baptismal record for WBK - that should prove conclusive enough. |
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Post by kerthen on Jan 25, 2009 15:32:09 GMT -5
As I've discovered this KING thread, I thought I would bring the discussion of KINGS of West Cornwall into the discussion we've been having on the TREMELLEN thread over at St Erth.
Briefly, Anne KING, daughter of Humphrey KING, b 1713 in St Hilary, married Benjamin TREMELLEN, son of Anthony and Ann (nee "Amey" JENKYN) TREMELLEN in 1733 at St Erth. They had a daughter, Amy, in 1734, and Benjamin died in Jan 1735. I'm not sure if this date is Old Style, which would make it 1735/36 or new.
An Ann TREMELLING married John PELLAR/PELLOW in St Erth in 1740. There are no likely Ann TREMELLINGs by any spelling in the whole of West Cornwall (thank you, Ian) let alone in St Erth, except the widow of Benjamin.
The fact that Ann and John PELLAR name their second son Benjamin (a name not generally associated with either KINGS or PELLARs) would tend to support this hypothesis.
There continue to be KINGs in the St Hilary (particularly Relubbus) area into the late 19th century at least -- including Humphreys as well as others -- so they seem to be an old family in this area. Humphrey, Anne KING's father, is listed as "of St Erth" when he is buried at St Hilary 5 March, 1733/34.
Is anyone researching this family who would like to compare notes? I also have interest in an earlier Anne KING, possibly an aunt of the Anne who married Benjamin TREMELLING, because she married John RALPH of St Erth in 1704, thus she is likely the same generation as Humphrey. One of their daughters, Eliza, married a younger Humphrey KING (possibly a brother of the second Anne?).
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