Hugh Hosking alias Collick??????

[aussieray]

Don't have much more than this but a birth date of 1795!

He was the base born son of Catherine, or Catherine Collick depending on where you look. How can I find out which is right?

Why did he change his name to Hosking after his first marriage and why were his first 4 children born Hosking alias Collick?

I'm sadly lacking in Social History but thought this alias business was quite a bit earlier than mid 1820s. Did he just pull the name Hosking out of a hat !? I know I'm whingeing but this has bothered me for a long time......on the plus side, I pretty much have all his descendants covered - down to little Finnegan born last year.

Can anyone enlighten me on any of the above?

Carol

[londoner]

Just to throw a spanner in my speclation I just found this in the CRO online catalogue:
RefNo PCERT/5/300
Title Examination, Thomas Collick of St Hilary

Date 13 May 1778

Description Born Veryan; employed in St Mewan, Veryan, St Hilary, Ludgvan and Breage; married with children Cath. aged 12 Rich aged 10. Eliz aged 7, Bridget aged 6 and William aged 1.

I was hoping to find reference to a will as that was how I solved the problem of my 3xgt grandfather's father - he was baptised as base child with father's name as middle name and dropped his mother's name after his first three/four children were born.

[Cornish Terrier]

Good work but I have to leave this with the pair of you for now.

Lots to do over this weekend and I am alreadu falling in the direction of sleep.

[aussieray]

Think I've found this family except Catherine! All are born to Hugh Collick and Elizabeth -
Elizabeth 1776 St Erth
Richard 1768 St Erth
Elizabeth 1770 St Erth
Bridget 1772 St Hilary
William 1775 Ludgvan
They appear to also have had a Hugh born in 1777 Breage

Does this mean anything or make it more confusing. Either of these Hughs could have been the father or the other Hugh born in St Hilary in 1774. Maybe his father wasn't even a Hugh Collick.

LDS lists Catherine Collick as my Hugh's mother but the parish clerks website lists her as Catherine. Help!

Carol

[Cornish Terrier]

Interesting that the IGI lists only two people named Catherine Collick, one in 1830 and the other in 1863.

As for St Erth (I think you may have made a typo) there is Elizabeth bp. 29th June 1766, Richard bp. 19th June 1768, Elizabeth bp. 2nd September 1770 with all three being children of Hugh and Elizabeth.

There seem to be no others of that name recorded at St Erth back to 1741.

IGI does show the 1777 bp. of Hugh s/o Hugh and Elizabeth.

IGI does NOT show the name COLLICK anywhere but Cornwall and, even then, there are very few with the earliest being about 1664 at Veryan.

This is most strange.

I am currently at a loss and need to think more on this before progressing any further.

Have also just tried burials and marriages at St Erth up to about 1830 but no sign of Catherine.

Will try to think about, and look further, in the next few days as I get the chance.

Ian

[aussieray]

Bridget was born in St Hilary (spelt Colike) & William in Ludgvan both are on IGI, both to Hugh and Elizabeth.

A marriage is listed for Hugh Colick bp. St Hilary 1774 to Mary Richards. Marriage took place in 1799 at St Hilary.

OPC have a burial for Catherine Collick age 68 St Hilary. Residence listed as Relubbus.

Still can't link anything though.

Carol

[kerthen]

Carol, I would order the film of the parish records and take a look at a photocopy of the original. It could be that there is something in the margin that didn't get transcribed. You should also check to see if there are bastardy bonds in the parish chest records. I narrowed my 'father' candidates from infinite to two as a result of the bonds in the bastardy records of Ludgvan (incidentally a Hosking also).

I think the record cited above by Londoner listing Thomas Colick and his children is something you should check. He appears to have a Catherine who would be the right age to have had a child in 1795. I solved a parental mystery through a land lease naming a son and giving his age where there was no baptismal record to fall back on.

barbara

[Cornish Terrier]

Barbara - I must thank you for pointing out my own 'stupidity'.

When I was checking the PRs I was searching on 'COLL' so, of course, a name like COLIKE is not going to appear.

"Well burn me and butter me on both sides!"

I can only put it down to dogged tiredness.

But this Board is about people helping each other and it is great to see members 'jumping into the breach' to do so.

Will try and look more into this later.

Ian

[kerthen]

Well, I did it inadvertantly, Ian! Because looking at Thomas, it appears he's got two LLs in his name.

But you're right -- checking both spellings is important. I have to keep remembering to do the same with my Tippetts/Tippets/Tipetts/Tipets/Tipetts. (argh!)

[Cornish Terrier]

I think AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGTH! might be more appropriate in some of these cases. ;D

And we must talk some day about the Tippett (var.) family as I have a few of them floating around also.

But I think we might leave deep discussion alone just for now.

Feel free to post your queries as our Tippetts may be of different lineage.

However, there may well be someone out there on the list who could help you sooner than I and who also might be able to help me at the same time.

Will be happy to discuss that family when I have the time, though.

Ian

[Cornish Terrier]

Forgot to mention - you may also feel a little sorry for me also.

But only if you wish to do so.

At last count (about 20 years ago) I had 21 different spellings of my own surname.

And also spare a thought for those tracing the Nicholas family - they have to deal with Nicholas, Nichols, Nicholls, Nickless, Nickles, Nikles etc., etc.

I could produce more examples but that would bring the headaches back on again. ;D

Bottom line is that, now we have some more technology available, we are able to do searches more easily so long as we use the paramaters available - e.g. a search for my name might be tried with 'trew*la' and will bring up lots of stuff.

(But then there is Trewheler, Trewheeller etc.) -

Always ways to find things if you persevere.

Ian

[aussieray]

Barbara,

Thank you for your advice on Catherine v. Catherine Collick. I have looked for bastardy bonds to no avail. Should there be one?

I will follow up on the films. Never have before and didn't know you could (rank amateur) but I have found their local branch.

Carol.

[kerthen]

Carol, you may find a bastardy bond. Or not. And if you find one, it may help -- or not. I have found a bastardy bond in Ludgvan for my Mary Hosking's daughter (in 1800) and son (in 1807), but while it gave me clues, I still don't have anything definitive. But clues are good!!!

You might find references to parish aid being given to an illegitimate child and its mother in the parish chest (overseers of the poor and churchwardens' records) if they exist. You can check the Family History Library Catalogue for your parish under "church records" or "parish records" and see what is extant. If there are records covering the time frame you're interested in, you would be well advised to order the film and read it carefully.

The churchwardens and overseers of the poor were in charge of doling out money to support the needy of the parish as determined by the parish -- and they were clearly aware that they needed to be frugal and yet cover the needs of those requiring assistance. So the records are usually thorough and detailed. They will often tell you exactly what was paid for 3 yds of dowlas material and buttons and needle to make a shift, for so-and-so, and they will tell you who was paid for caring for someone who was ill, and what arrangements were made for the burial of someone on parish aid who died. This may not tell you exactly who was parent to whom, but it can tell you who was living in the vicinity of whom, who was the shoemaker who made shoes for the poor, who thatched the roof of someone in need's house, and who died when.

The records created by the overseers and churchwardens often dealt with people who were not in the land records or the probate records or other more frequently consulted records. But they can solve identity problems (or create them!) and they provide a real nitty-gritty view of life in the parish. It's an education just to read them.

Barbara

[Cornish Terrier]

Good thinking Barbara.

But I do not know that LDS have copied all the records that might be required to solve some of these problems.

The next option for much of these records is to contact the Cornwall Record Office who should hold all the relevant records, should they have survived.

Cannot remember the address off hand but if you do a search on CRO you should be able to find them okay.

They are in Truro, Cornwall and, I am sure, will be most helpful.

I have only utilised their records 'on-site' so I do not know what charges may apply.

Does not hurt to try and you can decide from there.

My Cousin Nancy used to frequent the CRO at least twice a week and I would ask her to look for some information for you except for the fact that I have been unable to contact her for several weeks.

I am just hoping she is ok.

[aussieray]

Barbara,

LDS appear to have all the records I need to look at, and more. Your help is much appreciated......that was a really big post, very informative and just what I needed. Thank you.

Carol