CT ... I am an old lady Well getting much older by the minute .. do you know something? ..... please ... I know having ages on burials is a great guide, but I have found that often they are wrong. A joke when we see an age on a death cert that we know is wrong - it is called the son in law... One of my Aus ancestor's informant was son in law - No. of children: none!! Still looking for nine children - so far have found five lol I don't blame the sil really, but the clerk must been having a bad day ..
Last Edit: Nov 9, 2011 6:55:59 GMT -5 by nannysmith
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 9, 2011 7:57:28 GMT -5
No, I don't know anything that I am hiding. All I am doing at the moment is trying to find something in what you are finding that might provide some clues for you and at the moment you have the name Daniel at Gwinear. We know that John was 'of Gwinear' when he married and that he named a son Daniel so the coincidence is certainly worth investigating.
As for the informant being the son-in-law - well it would not surprise me if the son-in-law misunderstood the question and when asked about 'number of children' he thought he was being asked how many children HE had rather than the number of children of the deceased.
You will see the same sort of thing on baptism or birth certificates occasionally. I think when you find a record that is proved to have the wrong father's name recorded then it comes down to the person providing the details misunderstanding the question. When asked for the name of the father his/her own father's name is recorded rather than the actual father of the child.
Looks like I need to keep up the digging at Gwinear doesn't it ... It took me 30 years to find a living relative on a line of my OH in Ireland, so one lives in hope. Re my case of son in law, he was my grandfather's father, so close enough related to know the connections. Have been researching family for many years, I no longer believe certificates to be always correct. Proving things not always possible. But when one gets a breakthrough, Eureka lol Many thanks for your thoughts and encouragement.
The issue of certificates is interesting and CT will always be quick to warn people of the possible pitfalls - however a large amount of family history published as family trees is wildly incorrect and has been created oblivious of the fact that there are sources out there to prove or disprove an assumption. I am working with one at the moment where the whole basis of the family is reliant on a marriage where the details are available - rather than source that detail they have relied on published information which is wrong, and therefore so is all of the ancestry beyond that.
I would certainly believe a certificate and then go looking for conclusive proof that it was wrong as opposed to the other way around - the absoltue majority of them are correct.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 9, 2011 21:12:07 GMT -5
I have Birth, Death and Marriage Certificates in my possession that contain information proved to be incorrect and of course I have copies of Parish Registers where the same cane be said.
An error in the Age of a person, even on a marriage certificate, is reasonably obvious but I have Birth Certificates where the grandparents are named as parents, Marriage Cetificates where the name of one of the father's is proved to be incorrect and Death Certificates (Australia) where names are incorrect.
The percentage of Certificates I have with errors out of the total number of Certificates is perhaps higher than the norm which makes the problem look worse so I tend to be just a little more sceptical than others.
But it is worth checking every detail and if something does not look quite right then perhaps it isn't so check harder!
BTW - it is now about 33 years and I have still not been able to find a parent or parents for Henry Trevela of St Just who married Jane Grenfell in 1803!!
Before I started this thread I had never heard of Illogan. Today I was shown a family bible which a antique dealer had got in a shipment from UK. It had the genealogy insert completed which I'm going to copy - the information is mainly on the George family whose births were noted at Illogan and Redruth. I'm wondering if it is possible to share this information? The information would be amazing for a family historian and includes notes on sons who went to the first world war and when one was home on furlough. I think it includes information up to a death in 1989.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 23, 2011 7:31:01 GMT -5
Hi Nannysmith - a very interesting find indeed! and one that I am sure will be of interest to many.
And there may be something of interest for myself in that lot! I do have a George connection with one of my Trewhella families via the marriage of Elizabeth George to Joshua Spargo Trewella at Illogan in 1854.
Okay then - first question is whether you now own this particular Bible or whether you merely have permission to copy the Genealogical portion of it?
If you have purchased it then does its condition allow for the possibility of scanning the relevant page(s)?
If scans are available then you could, if you wish, post them here as attachments so long as each attachment is maximum 1Mb. Unfortunately I think multiple pages would have to be attached to separate posts.
But perhaps the best way would be to organise what you have in whatever format is best for you and then post a message offering to send copies via email to anyone who may be interested.
You can put me at the very top of that list, please!
PS - given the information involves events as late as 1989 it may be prudent to restrict this to email copies on request.
Post by nannysmith on Nov 23, 2011 17:28:10 GMT -5
No I don't own the bible, but it is in excellent condition, which is why it was purchased. I have a good camera and I will ask if I can photograph it and upload it. It could possibly damage the spine if I try to scan it. By the way are you connected to the Trewhellas of Torrington? Doing some research for someone else, I found in my Old Torrington book, a photo of Trewhella wheels (mining) and a photo of Gilbey/Trewhella wedding (no details). There are "extracts from an interview with Mr. George Trewhella Jnr. George, affectionately known as "Ginger George", was born in 1899, and worked n some of the mines, along with his father, George Trewhella Snr., and Grandfather, George Rutherford."
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 24, 2011 7:49:00 GMT -5
Yes indeedee! Distant cousins with a link back to Towednack.
I went to Torrington many years back and spent some nice, but wet, time there. I also have a copy of 'Old Torrington' which I reckon I may well have bought just after it was released in 1981. That would have been about the time I was in Torrington.