Ann Glasson of Crowan

[Cornish Terrier]

Okay - so Jane would really have been only 7 when she died given she was baptized 5th December 1848 with that baptism equating to the June 1848 birth in FreeBMD. And in case you don't have the details she was buried at Crowan 20th October 1855.

St Thomas - There is a Parish of St Thomas in Exeter so as the marriage was in the Registry Office I should think this would be the place.

I now have these in my database.

CT

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Okay - so Jane would really have been only 7 when she died given she was baptized 5th December 1848 with that baptism equating to the June 1848 birth in FreeBMD. And in case you don't have the details she was buried at Crowan 20th October 1855.

CT

Death
On the 18th October 1855 at Union House, Helston, Jane Glasson, female, aged 9 years, daughter of Ann Glasson, a domestic servant. Died of a fever and Phlebitis, certified. Informant was K. Gillard of Union House, Helston, in attendance. Registered on the 19th October 1855.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Lannanta - you did post that information earlier and I realize it does say age 9 on the certificate. However, you also said that Jane was age 3 at the 1851 Census which corresponds with the 1848 Birth in FreeBMD for Jane Glasson in the Helston R.D. as well as with the 1848 baptism.

The only other possibility in FreeBMD is the 1846 Birth, also in the Helston R.D. of a Jane Glasson. That would obviously match the death certificate but not the other records.

Obviously the illegitimate daughter of Ann Glasson must be one of the two, 1846 or 1848, and at the moment I think probably the 1848 birth. So who was the other Jane Glasson?

CT

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Obviously the illegitimate daughter of Ann Glasson must be one of the two, 1846 or 1848, and at the moment I think probably the 1848 birth. So who was the other Jane Glasson?

Hello CT

I believe she was the daughter of Thomas GLASSON and Grace COLENSO. I have the following notes in my database:

In the 1851 census Thomas, a 34 year old copper miner, and his wife Grace were living at Centenary Row in Camborne with three children; Thomas, Jane (aged 4 years) and William.

In the 1861 census Thomas and Grace were still living at Centenary Row and living with them were five children; Thomas, Jane (aged 14 years), William, Josiah and Henry.

In the 1871 census Grace, a widow, was living at Red Brook in Camborne with her two sons Joaiah and Henry, her married daughter Jane Edawrds; and a number of other relatives including grand daughter Edith Edwards.

In the 1881 census Grace was living at Camborne Vean Terrace in Camborne with her daughter Jane Edwards and grand children Edith and Willie Edwards.

In the 1891 census Grace was living at Dolcoath in Camborne with her daughter Jane Edwards and grand children Edith and William Edwards. Although Thomas Edwards is not in the house it does not say that Jane is a widow.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Thanks Lannanta - the point I was trying to make earlier was that the age recorded on the death certificate was probably not accurate.

CT

[Glazin2018]

This thread, although starting with Ann Glasson, also discussed the birth of Stephen Glasson around 1868 in Bridgwater, Victoria and the suggestion that he was, as he stated at his marriage, the son of Joseph Glasson and Emily Birchall.

The Australasian newspaper (Melbourne - Vic) 27th July 1872
The case of Emily Birchall, who was tried the other day at Sandhurst for infanticide and concealment of birth, was certainly a distressing one, but it is doubtful whether the course and result of the trial would, to a thoughtful observer, have occasioned all the satisfaction that was so loudly expressed at its termination by the applauding crowd. We do not wish to make any reference to the merits of what was evidently a very painful case, or the innocence or guilt of one who was, at any rate, a wronged and very unfortunate girl.....

There are additional newspaper articles available such as the Coroners Inquest relating to this case, but you have to wonder what is the likelihood that this young lady is Stephen Glasson's mother.


Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

It took me quite a bit of reading before I could recall and understand what the discussion of Emily Birchall was all about! But now I have caught up a little and it seems the problem was never resolved.

However, just as a matter of interest before getting back to other things - I just had another look at the Victorian Pioneers Index and discovered there were actually to Emily B's born in Victoria. But of those two only one might possibly be considered as the mother of Stephen Glasson.

Emily daughter of Arthur and Emily BURCHILL born Melbourne 1852
Emily daughter of Joseph BURCHELL and Emily (nee Critchley) born 1862 Rushworth

It may not be of much use but as a matter of 'just in case' I can add the following.

Arthur Burchill died in Victoria in 1879 at the age of 63. His parents are recorded as Arthur Richard Burchill and Sarah Clerke and his birthplace as Cork. There are nine births for this family registered in Victoria between 1852 and 1869.

Arthur BURCHILL and Elizabeth Emily Finley (Tinley?) EVANS were married at St James Church of England in Melbourne in 1851.

CT

PS - it looks like I was not taking my own advice back then regarding the use of wildcards and other means to search the Victorian inexes!!!

CT

[Glazin2018]

CT

The inquest into the death of the female child of Emily Birchall (Burchall) in 1872 states that Emily was a governess for Edward Orr at a place called Woodpark Farm, Heathcote.  I believe that Heathcote is not that far removed from Bridgwater near Bendigo, and so I am quite convinced that this is the mother of Stephen Glasson, although I am not sure where Stephen is at this time.  I also appreciate your suggestions in the previous message and I agree that Arthur and Emily Burchall are the most likely parents.

Now I need to find a Joseph Glasson that was in Bendigo, or surrounding areas, about the same time.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Heathcote is about 28 miles southeast of Bendigo and Bridgwater is a similar distance to the northwest of Bendigo so both in the general vicinity.

CT

[Glazin2018]

CT

Interesting thing is that there was a Glasson family in Heathcote in the early 1900s.  He was a John Glasson born not long after the Stephen who is the topic of discussion here.  Now this John had two uncles - John and Joseph, both of who went to Victoria from Cornwall.

Of the two uncles, I am pretty sure Joseph was not in Victoria until after 1881.  But I am not so sure about John.  He died in 1884 in NSW, buried at Rookwwod, but the informant said he was a widower although no further info available about his family.  Next of kin was his father resident in Ballarat.

Today I received Stephen's NZ entry in the death registers.  In there it states his father as John Glasson.

I think I am almost ready to conclude, but I will hunt a bit longer and see if I can find when John arrived.  He was one of 5 brothers in total who went to Victoria, along with their father Richard.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

I think we are talking about the John Glasson that I had buried in Adelaide in 1879? That being the case then my database indicates I have not made the corrections. I also seem to have filed the information regarding the SA John where I can't find it!!!

Appreciate it if you could help me out with that bit again.

Meantime, I have nothing more just at the moment that might place Joseph Glasson in Victoria before 1881 or anything to help with wife and family for John Glasson.

Will try and look around a bit more tomorrow.

CT

[Glazin2018]

CT

Below is the information connecting the 1884 death for John Glasson to the Victoria family.

NSW Death Registration Transcription

John Glasson, male, died 16th July 1884 at Prince Alfred Hospital, Camperdown, NSW. Miner aged 49 years, born in England. Widower. Informant was Thomas Jesse of Prince Alfred Hospital, no relation. Died of pneumonia, last seen by Dr Jenkins on the day of death. Buried on the 17th July 1884 at Rookwood Cemetery by James Weeks, undertaker. Death registered on the 22nd July 1884 at Newtown. No other information was recorded on the death entry.



New South Wales Government Gazette (Sydney, NSW : 1832 - 1900) Fri 1 Aug 1884 [Issue No.386] Page 5255

ECCLESIASTICAL JURISDICTION.

In the goods, chattels, credits, and effects of John Glasson, late of Sydney, in the Colony of New South Wales, miner, deceased, intestate.

NOTICE is hereby given, that after the expiration of fourteen days from the publication hereof in the New South Wales Government Gazette, application will be made to this Honorable Court, in its Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction, that letters of administration of all and singular the goods, chattels, credits, and effects of the abovenamed deceased, who died on the 16th day of July, a.d. 1884, may be granted to Arthur Joseph Brady, of 87, Elizabeth-street, Sydney, in the Colony aforesaid, solicitor, the duly constituted attorney of Richard Glasson, of Ballarat, in the Colony of Victoria, butcher, the father and next of kin of the said deceased. - Dated this 3lst day of July. A.D. 1884.

The 7th April 1879 death for John Glasson was for a man described as "Aboriginal".

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Ah, yes - now I remember. And now after looking at this information it is easy to see how connecting this John to the right family might be difficult .... his age at death is short by about 9 years!

John son of Richard and Mary Glasson was baptised at Manaccan in 1830 but according to Census records he had been born at Calstock around 1826.

I have updated my database with the death and burial information now so that should save some further confusion. Trick now is to try and locate a marriage record.

CT

[Glazin2018]

CT

If I am right in saying that the article concering Emily Birchall in 1872 refers to the mother of Stephen, then there will most likely not be a marriage, especially when there is no record of a birth for Stephen either.

I asked myself why would the informant say John Glasson was a widower when he had no information on John's marriage, children of the marriage etc.  Maybe perhaps in the short time the informant knew John (if at all) he knew he had a son/daughter? - and assumed there was a marriage.  And given John was living alone assumed the wife was deceased.

For me it is clear eveybody knew the mother was Emily Birchall.  At the marriage the father was Joseph, and at his death it was John.  There are so many options for that inconsistency.

I would love to know where Stephen grew up.  Did he know his father, uncles or grandfather?  Did Stephen grow up with his mother and if he did where was he in 1872?

Lots to ponder on still.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Yes, quite right on all counts. I 'jumped the gun' a little and made an assumption based on the description of 'widower' from the death record.

CT