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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2011 14:18:20 GMT -5
Hi CT
Yes, the hand writing in those columns actually looks different - darker - so it must have been added at a later date which makes me think that the information containing the fathers names was not available as opposed to the parties not knowing who they were.
When I get in tandem with a scanner I will send you a copy.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 27, 2011 23:05:57 GMT -5
Lannanta - it almost sounds as if there had been a copy of the originals done in 'extract' form.
In 1918 something has happened (perhaps a request for a copy of the certificate?) that required the additional information and from there the original register was checked and the notes made.
Just a theory.
CT
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Post by ooglasson on Dec 29, 2011 20:54:22 GMT -5
Hi All, just doing (or trying) some research on my Glasson side when i came across this thread, thought i'd poke my nose in and see if i can help. Im not too flash at the whole thing but just wanted to say that the Joseph Henry Glasson you are puzzled about was my great grandfather, died 1948. there are a few family fables from down the line but yes he was born in sydney 1888, parents John and Amelia who in 1884 were living at 60 Liverpool St, Sydney. Josep Henrys siblings were John James and Ellen Grace. my grandfather said he definantly had more than 2 uncles though i cant find them and pop has passed on. story goes that John Glasson was a Swedish mariner who jumped ship and came to Australia but it is unknown if he was actually swedish or not, but somewhere in between he married Amelia (nee unknown, maybe Stockton??) in Cornwall September 1881, story also goes that neither could write and signed things with an X, im told that old John was married as Glasson and the birth certificates of 3 children (Classon) was a mistake but others say it was purposely done for some reason or another. I would love to know more about John and Amelia myself but unfortunately my knowledge of the records part stops me. the only other piece of info i can remember is my nanna used to mention a book caled The Glasson Saga. Joseph Henry married Ivy Gill, the gill side has some amazing convict history. If i can be of any further help just ask away, and if anyone has any further info on this mysterious pair i would love to here from them also.
Sean.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 29, 2011 21:24:15 GMT -5
G'day Sean and welcome to the site .... and this discussion. I am sure Lannanta will be getting involved in this very soon and will be very interested in your information. Once I get home tonight I will catch up on the background and see if I can find something in your information that will help us solve a little more of the mystery. CT
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Post by ooglasson on Jan 3, 2012 5:36:44 GMT -5
G'day Sean and welcome to the site .... and this discussion. I am sure Lannanta will be getting involved in this very soon and will be very interested in your information. Once I get home tonight I will catch up on the background and see if I can find something in your information that will help us solve a little more of the mystery. CT
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Post by ooglasson on Jan 3, 2012 5:47:36 GMT -5
Thankyou for the welcome! I am glad i found this site, very interesting.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 3, 2012 7:41:39 GMT -5
Sean - other things have prevented me catching up on the information as yet but I will try to do so as soon as I can.
CT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2012 13:58:49 GMT -5
Hello Sean
I did a large reply to your message the other night and right near the end it disappeared and I have never seen it since - I was so annoyed it has taken until now to write again....
Firstly can I say that when I was growing up the family story was that my grandfather James Edgar Glasson fought at Gallipoli in 1915. The reality is that he did not join up until 1916 and he went straight to France - but the point is that it is hard to place family perceptions over facts, and I for one, never do so.
I will deal with my understanding of "The Glasson Saga" in another message.
The facts as presented earlier seem more believable than the family stories. All three births before the war were Claasen, the marriage to Brennan was Claasen as well - only during enlistment for the war does the name change to Glasson - reminds me a bit of Battenburg to Mountbatten.
You say that the story goes that John was a Swedish mariner.... and that sort of makes sense and sort of suggests that Claasen is a name that suits. You say that John married Amelia in Cornwall in 1881 - well I cannot find a record anywhere of that event, unless it is under a different name.
Unlike CT I do not have easy access to the Australian records Sean, so unless he can discover something that I am missing then I am sticking with the family being Claasen - but if there is anything you want me to look at I would be more than happy to do that.
Lannanta
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2012 14:21:46 GMT -5
Hello again Sean
In my limited opinion, I believe that the book, or compilation, called the Glasson Saga is very useful for the study of a certain Glasson family from Breage in Cornwall and pretty much limited to that...
It was written by Mary Glasson in the very early 1980s and is largely centred around the letters written by John Glasson of Bookanon (Australia); although that John eventually settled in Karaka, New Zealand where he and his wife Anne, nee Evans, both died. John was the son of John Glasson and Mary nee Williams, the second son born and named John - in 1803. The elder John and Mary farmed at Tremearne in Breage and from there a significant portion of their family emigrated to Australia. However, it is the numerous letters of their eldest son John that provided the contact between the two countries. In the earlier letters there is also some reference to the relatives in Falmouth and in particular the family of William Glasson and Elizabeth nee Mogg, who provided some assistance for John as he was preparing to leave Cornwall.
In the earlier few chapters there is discussion on the GLASSON name and where it possibly came from - Piaux in France is one suggestion. Now Mary may well be right, but there is a lot of new evidence and research available on the peopling of Cornwall and I am much more inclined to read the new work and just to have assumptions, such as suggested by Mary, in the back of my mind.
So, in my humble opinion, Mary should be congratulated for the work that she did, but I suggest that, unless you are related to the Glassons of Breage, it will be of little value to you.
Lannanta
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Post by ooglasson on Jan 4, 2012 5:05:41 GMT -5
Hello Lannata and thankyou for your reply's. Lol yes we are a confusing mob! I knew the Classon part but never heard of us as Claason and cannot seem to find Claason on any records (NSW BDM), are the originals different to more recent digital records? i dont know as i dont have them. I have found these records only as reliable as the informant on the day in previous lines of my family. on one death certificate i obtained through a relative the particulars were given by a doctor and nearly all wrong.
The info on John and Amelia's marriage in Cornwall i got from an old album belonging to Joseph Henry their son, the book being a gift to him from his wife in 1920, it also goes on about his time in Stammlager Limberg and Langensatza P.O.W camps, his marriage and also the kids births and marriages, and beside his own birth it says... at 60 Liverpool St Sydney... but lists no siblings in it. I spoke to my great uncle about John and Amelia (his grands) and he confirmed old John could not speek a drop of English but suggested he was a ..Swedish.. mariner, his wife Amelia could speak english and that she was born in Cornwall and added she had quite a barbed toungue for a woman and played cards alot. He also said Ernest Brennan more went by the name of Ernest Dostine, remembers him and Aunty Grace (ellen grace) well, living at some stage at Kempsey NSW and she died around 1940-45 from his memory and his uncle John a few years before Joseph Henry.
Yes The Glasson Saga i feel has nothing to do with our mob, on asking my father about my grandmothers mention of the book, he seems to think she'd heard about it but never got hold of it. Ahh who knows, I dont think i ever will but all the best with your searches, all of you.
Sean.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2012 4:20:54 GMT -5
This original thread started with Ann Glasson and her three illegimate children from the Breage area, in the workhouse of which Ann tended to have her children.
It appears as if there was a 4th child who did not live very long. Matthew Richards Glasson - born at the end of 2845 at the Breage workhouse. No prizes at guessing who his father was.
Lannanta
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2012 18:20:57 GMT -5
Just for the sake of regularity, Jane Glasson, the daughter of Ann, died in the Union House, Helston on the 18th October 1855, aged 9 years. She died of a fever and Phlebitis. Her mother Ann was still said to be a domestic servant.
This means that of her four known children, only John Halls Glasson survived into adulthood.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 21, 2012 6:47:05 GMT -5
I needed to check a few things to remind me of where things stand with this thread and in doing so I found something that I had previously missed in the NSW Marriage Index. The marriage of Ellen G Classon is actually indexed TWICE albeit with the same Registration Number - 5470/1908. In one case the Groom's surname is recorded as BRENNAN and in the second as DOSTINE. This would appear to be a modern day example of 'Brennan als Dostine'. It certainly explains the comment quoted above. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 21, 2012 7:03:44 GMT -5
Lannanta - thanks for the update on John Halls Glasson and his siblings. Afraid this is one lot I have not yet added to my database so looks like I will have some 'bookwork' to do! Re CLASSON - If I remember correctly we sorted Stephen Glasson/Classon via email not too long back but I may need you to clarify if you have anything further that needs pursuing with the query. And as a matter of interest I just had a look at the Victorian Pioneers Index. From 1858 to 1877 John August CLASSON and his wife Elizabeth (nee WASLEY) were registering children in the mining area around Amherst, Tarnagulla and Avoca. They were not married in Victoria but nine children were registered in that time under CLASSON, CLASSAN and CLASSEN. From 1866 John Christian CLASSON and wife Caroline Sophia (nee FRAHM) began having children here but they also were not married in Victoria. John Christian CLASSON age 59 died at Avoca in 1886 and the Death Index records his parents as Johan Daniel Classon and Johanna Henriette WILLIE. In 1879 Henry John CLASSEN married Lilly Louisa SANDERSON and the birthplace of Henry John is recorded as HAMBURG. That information may be of help for the future. CT
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Post by moylan on Oct 18, 2014 23:08:22 GMT -5
Hi my names rachel moylan im 29 and mabel emily birchall glasson was my great grandmother. I am really keen on tracking my family history. I have learnt a lot from reading youre comments. Can you plesae email me at harleymoylan@gmail.com thanks
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