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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2011 15:12:30 GMT -5
CT Slow and sure and I am not sure where to start given the various records not available - I have not worked out a strategy yet but I will soon. There are still the refernces to the Glassons in Southland in the 1880s, especially the J. Glasson, that I am thinking are related, but I have not found what happened to them yet. Thanks for Victoria anyway, much appreciated. Lannanta
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2011 16:43:20 GMT -5
CT I am still struggling with the NSW indexes - do you think they are complete? I am still working on Stephen and family and I obtained a death certificate for Joseph Henry Glasson in 1948 - he was born around 1886 or so. He was said to be born in Sydney and I realised that death certificate information can be terribly unreliable so I noted that he had a war pension. I then found his WW1 dossier and at some stage in his life he had lost his discharge certificate and applied for another one - he gave his birth date as 10th January 1888 and elsewhere in his dossier his birthplace at Sydney. His next of kin was his sister E. Brennan of NSW. Well I cannot find a birth for Joseph Henry anywhere, nor can I find a marriage for E. Glasson to a Mr Brennan. Back to the death certificate - he was said to be the son of John Glasson, a mariner, and Amelia Harvey - well you guessed it - I could not find a marriage for them either. Am I missing something in the NSW records CT?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 18, 2011 4:48:29 GMT -5
Lannanta - the Online Index for NSW BMDs is used for ordering Certificates so should be a faithful and complete reproduction of any printed or written indexes that were previously used. But, as with Victoria, there are effors in originals and items missing. My maternal 2xgt-grandfather for example - apparently died in July 1861 yet no trace of a death record can be found for him. Similarly for Cornwall where we know there are entries missing but what needs to be remembered is that all of these (NSW, Victoria, Cornwall etc.) were split into Districts and it was up to the individual District to collect the data and then send it to the General Registry. So many hands involved will inevitably lead to errors and omissions. The old Classic - 'I read it on the Death Certificate' Hmm - Was the marriage to Mr Brennan perhaps a second marriage? I will have a look and see if I can find anything. CT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2011 5:17:28 GMT -5
Hi CT
Yes I thought about a second marriage and then got blown away by the number of Brennans.
But I did note that Joseph Henry and Mrs Brennan had a brother in WW1 - John James - birth around 1882 also at Sydney. And he is not jumping up to be counted either. Funny thing though, there is a note in his record - his number was 3109 - naming him John Henry - this was to do with his death later in life and looking for a possible army will. Oh yes, he also had his sister as next of kin - Nellie Brenning (Mrs). Maybe there was no Mum and Dad??
Have the flu so off to bed.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 18, 2011 12:00:16 GMT -5
Well at least we now have something better than sister 'E'. We now know her as 'Nellie' which probably means she was born Ellen. So we have Joseph Henry, John Henry and Ellen as siblings according to these Army records. Interesting that both the boys have Henry as a second name so perhaps that might be another clue? Armed with this latest information I have searched the NSW records again :- Ernest W BRENNAN married Ellen G CLASSONNewton District - 1908 Reg. No. - 5470/1908 So now we might be getting somewhere! ;D BirthEllen G CLASSON 1887 Balmain Reg. No. 4017/1887 Father - JohnMother - AmeliaJoseph Henry CLASSON 1884 Sydney Reg. No. 511/1884 Father - John Mother - AmeliaJohn J CLASSON 1882 Sydney Reg. No. 3325/1882 Father - John Mother - Amelia No sign of any marriages for this lot and in fact the only male CLASSON marriage in NSW between 1850 and 1960 is for a Ferdinand Classon to Mary Christie at Newton in 1888. There are also only four Death records for Classon from 1850-1980 - Frederick 1890, Joseph 1893, Carl Gillis 1946 and Kathleen Elizabeth 1943. No sign of a marriage or other children for John and Amelia in South Australia or Victoria either. But at least you might now be getting somewhere along what appears to be possibly a rather overgrown garden path! ;D CT
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Post by sue on Sept 18, 2011 13:15:24 GMT -5
Presume the 2 John Glasson~Amelia UK marriages fully accounted for? (one being on OPC).
Sue
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 18, 2011 18:51:41 GMT -5
I looked at those Sue but had decided to await a response from Lannanta before going further.
The one in 1865 is nudging on being a little early and the one for 1871 I am unable to so far find any further information about.
Certainly no children in the OPC records for either marriage.
CT
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Post by sue on Sept 19, 2011 5:14:19 GMT -5
Yes of course - hope the flu doesn't last too long Lannanta! Meanwhile I can eliminate the 2nd John Glasson~Amelia FreeBMD entry June Q 1871 because doh! I knEw who that one was: he was my GGGmother's brother, a son of Jakeh Glasson~Philippa Quick! John Thomas Glasson born 1846 married the other lady on the FreeBMD page, Elizabeth Jane Eddy born Zennor, in 1871 census a servant at Trelyon. In 1871 census John T, miner, was staying with my GGGmother Emma & her husband John Thomas @ Halsetown. Children: Elizabeth Jane 4 Jul 1871 Halsetown bptzd 9 Oct 1871 Eliza Ann 2 Nov 1872 Halsetown bptzd 24 Feb 1873 Mary Annie 6 Jun 1875 Halsetown bptzd 23 Aug 1875 and I believe the baby John Thomas Glasson buried 10 weeks old November 1876 Barnoon, unbaptized, is theirs. Emma 12 Jun 1880 Halsetown, after John T's death I think it may have been a Penzance marriage..... The widow + children are in Halsetown 1881. John Glasson could be the entry in California 1880, as Uncle Josiah was a one-time California man, joined there by 3 of Josiah's children.... Sue
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 19, 2011 6:31:21 GMT -5
No, not Penzance unless it is Registry Office. But it may be non-conformist.
CT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2011 22:22:49 GMT -5
Hi - out of bed at last Neither of these couples are the ones in Australia - the 1865 John died in Cornwall pre 1871 and his widow married a Horton and lived on to 1914 at St Erth. Three births and a wedding with the surname Classon - surely that is the answer - they are not Glassons and maybe the change to Glasson was for the war effort - might have been a more acceptable surname during enlistment - especially if Dad was a German - who knows. Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 20, 2011 5:07:27 GMT -5
Good to have you up and about again mate! Classon appears to be the answer but unfortunately there are still some unknowns. I think there is a bit more work to be done to find some of those 'hidden' answers before you can finally lay this one to rest. CT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2011 4:01:28 GMT -5
Hello CT
For 26 years they were known as Classons and then the war comes along and all of a sudden they are Glassons. No parents are listed as next of kin to the two soldiers, only Nellie the sister - so parents gone away or perhaps dead??
I cannot even imagine where to start looking CT, and even in my wildest dreams I would not expect to find a Glasson lurking at the bottom of the pile.
I think I will leave it to somebody else and search for the answer to Stephen elsewhere.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 22, 2011 8:35:06 GMT -5
Lannanta - it might well be that there are Germanic origins in the name which might explain the sudden change happening when it did. I have an idea there was a record of a 'Johan' or similar in one of the indexes but there was nothing to suggest a connection to this family. But FamilySearch has a selection of Germanic records online now so if you develped the sudden urge one day (as opposed to The Itch! ) then you might go trawling through them to see if an answer can be found. But it seems we are back to Emily Birchall and here whereabouts .............. or distinct lack thereof! CT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2011 3:42:00 GMT -5
CT
Still looking for the Stephen Glasson who has dominated this thread. No matter which way you look at it Stephen Glasson is an uncommon name. Unless you are looking at the family from Madron / St Hilary (Stephen Glasson and Alice Perry) who we have briefly discussed elsewhere.
So with a few coins burning a hole in my pocket I obtained the marriage certificate for Stephen Glasson in New South Wales in 1862 at Paddington. I was thinking that I already knew who he was and I was proved correct but in quite an unusual way.
He was 27 when he married, a bachelor from England, working as a wheelwright in Sydney. He knew that his father was a wheelwright, but the name of his father was not recorded - even though in 1862 his father was still alive and kicking in Cornwall, as opposed to his mother who had been dead and buried for seven years. He gave his mother's name as Grace Johns.
Grace Johns married William Glasson in 1816 in Ludgvan,and the youngest of their children, Stephen, was baptised there on the 24th March 1835.
Of lesser interest to me was the female in the marriage to Stephen - a widow - Susan Gillespie or McGee - from Ireland - she also knew her mother's name - Eliza King - she also knew that her father was an architect - but his name was also not recorded.
As a side interest - do you think that the record was lacking? Because on the side of the certificate it says that columns 5, 7, 9, & 10 were obtained from the Church Register number 77 (Presbyterian) on the 20th August 1918 - and those columns are Birthplace, Age, Father's name etc and the last column was father's occupation.
As I said, I am most interested in this Stephen - it means that the family from Cornwall with the name Stephen did arrive in Australia.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 27, 2011 11:59:53 GMT -5
I presume you mean that this information was written on the side of the certificate you received? If so then it sounds like they may have been initially copying from an Extract of Marriage. Hmm that is saying that the information was obtained in 1918 which means that there was something lacking at that time. Afraid I would be only guessing at what was happening! CT
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