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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2011 4:46:56 GMT -5
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First thing is that I have to admit that it is many years since I have had the records of this family together and I am strugling to locate them all at the moment.
But firstly I have put you wrong with the birthdate for Stephen.
I have a copy of the entry in the birth register for Cyril, their 5th child who was born and also died in 1910. Admittedly the informant at this birth was the sister of Stephen's wife Minnie - Maggie Ackers. However it states that in 1910 Stephen was aged 42 years, and was born in Bridgwater in Victoria. This suggests that Stephen was born around 1868.
Then the burial record for Stephen is online now (complete with photograph) - he was buried at Invercargill on the 4th July 1939 and he was said to be aged 72 years - once again suggesting that he was born around 1867.
I must have a marriage certificate somewhere as well as the adoption entry for their first child William, born in 1902 and legitimised in 1918. I will keep looking.
Lannanta
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Post by sue on Aug 24, 2011 5:55:00 GMT -5
On Rootsweb WorldConnect, typing in Glasson, Stephen gives only 27 results. 3 are for Stephen Glasson who married Minnie Acker, all looking pretty similar. Fingers crossed this link works: wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2570282&id=I537514601Hmm, not sure it does.... I must say shaving 10 years off his age would make more sense in terms of the birth years of his children, given that it was the 1910s & 1920s...... I was going to say that I searched UK census 1851 for Emily Birchall (var) for women of child-bearing age by 1856, and came up with only 2 that had disappeared by 1861, Emily Bircham b 1833 resident Aylsham, Norfolk & Emily Birchall b 1827 resident Wellingboro Hants - but that's irrelevant if the birthdate of Stephen has shifted forward to 1867..... Sue PS I think John Glasson~ Emily Birchall & son Stephen Glasson have been referred to in old threads here before: “Thomas Quick in NZ via OZ” in May 2009 and “An elusive Glasson family” in Dec 2007 – but no “finds” of marriages or whatever were recorded then....... PPS from one of the Rootsweb entries: Name: Stephen GLASSON Given Name: Stephen Surname: Glasson Sex: M Birth: 1856 in Bendigo, Australia Death: 2 Jul 1939 Burial: Jul 1939 East Road Cemetery, Invercargill, New Zealand Occupation: Sawyer/Cowley and Son Change Date: 18 Jun 2003 Note: Address: 52 Clyde StreetINVERCARGILLNew Zealand Marriage 1 Minnie ACKER b: 15 Dec 1879 in Invercargill, Southland, New Zealand Married: 10 Nov 1903 in Invercargill, Southland, New Zealand Children Edgar Christopher Beauchamp GLASSON Norman Joseph GLASSON William Rewai Coromandel Acker GLASSON b: 20 Apr 1902 in Invercargill, Southland, New Zealand Alice Gwendoline GLASSON b: 28 Nov 1903 Stephen Henry GLASSON b: 28 May 1907 Mabel Emily Birchall GLASSON b: 2 Feb 1909 Cyril GLASSON b: 1910 in Waikouro, Invercargill, Southland, New Zealand Rewai Bertice Wakefield GLASSON b: 4 Sep 1916 Gladys May GLASSON b: 18 May 1922
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 24, 2011 12:56:09 GMT -5
Thans Sue, I can find them now. Does not help me find any record of any of the family in Australia thought! I have tried Victoria, South Australia and New South Wales but they are not to be found anywhere. If they were here then it appears to have been a fleeting and very secretive sojourn! I also checked the PRO Victoria Outward Passenger lists but there is nothing of any real use there with almost all Christian names abbreviated to 'Mr', 'Mrs', 'child with' or just a plain initial. CT
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Post by sue on Aug 24, 2011 14:07:58 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see what Lannanta unearths in due course from his old records as to where the Aus information came from, as there seems as yet no clue to Stephen's past in official records. And them there trees, eh?!!!! Sue
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2011 14:11:56 GMT -5
HI Sue
I am sure that Emily Birchall must be correct and I am also sure that her name came from the marriage entry for Stephen and Minnie.
Interesting that with the reference to Emily Birchall in one of the children's names that there is no reference to a John Glasson - makes me wonder if there is an error in who Stephen's father may be.
Lannanta
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Post by sue on Aug 24, 2011 14:28:15 GMT -5
I guess there could be an error on the marriage cert - which certainly won't help you pin Stephen down! In fact just yesterday I found a Curnow marriage in Michigan USA where I believe the groom's mother's name was wrong (and for bride's mother is says Not Known, which is ridiculous, she was alive & local!) - I have his month/year of birth consistently from censuses etc. and there is only one England corresponding birth/baptism for him - but with a different mother named! You never know, when you do find the Stephen/Minnie marriage certificate, there might be a clue there somewhere that you didn't recognize previously..... Sue
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2011 14:50:17 GMT -5
Could be Sue, you might like to fly out here to NZ and find where I put it It must be hiding. Saying that though, the information is pretty basic so I cannot imagine there is anything else. Maybe he was born on the way to Australia or something... we'll see.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 24, 2011 23:55:28 GMT -5
Nothing seems to be giving us much in the way of clues does it? I have checked the Victorian Pioneers Index again and there are, in total, just 25 entries for the name Birchall. And that covers Births, Deaths and Marriages with no sign of a Stephen let alone a link to Glasson. In FreeBMD there are only sparse entries for marriages of Emily Birchall with the earliest in about 1853 and again nothing with any semblance of a link to Glasson. NZ Indexes may or may not tell a story. Stephen Glasson died in 1939 age 72 so was born around 1867 as has been previously mentioned. There is only one death recorded for an Emily Glasson and that is in 1908 at the age of 55. If this age is correct then Emily was born around 1853 and so would have been just 14 when Stephen was born! But if it is Stephen's mother and we allow for a discrepancy in her age then it might suggest the possibility of illegitimacy. Sue - perhaps you could send me the details of this Curnow information you have just found. I may have something in my database that could help. I can have a look at it anyway. CT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2011 0:26:07 GMT -5
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No help at all mate.
There is no evidence that any other members of Stephens family came to NZ that I can see.
Interesting to think about illegitimacy - no marriage record, maybe a birth record - somewhere? - for some reason ended up with the fathers name - seems an unlikely scenario.
I am awaiting a document for the birth of Alice, the eldest daughter and it will confirm the parents birth places - Minnie I know was NZ but in Cyril's birth the informant was Stephen's sister in law so there may be an error there.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 25, 2011 2:34:15 GMT -5
Okay mate, will await the news on what is contained therein and see where things lead from there. I just took a look at the Victorian Pioneers Index again but this time searched for a birth for anyone named Stephen where the mother was Emily. There were several but nothing that looks even remotely close to what we are looking for. CT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2011 6:11:29 GMT -5
CT and Sue Have had a bit of success and I have found the entry in the birth register for the oldest child, William, mentioned above William was born on the 20th April 1902 at St Andrew Street in North Invercargill. He was the son of Stephen Glasson, aged 34, a sawyer born in Victoria. On this occasion the father Stephen was the informant, so this is the second document giving Stephen as a Victorian and born about 1868 - however it is Stephen hmself providing the information. As a matter of interest this birth for William was legitimsed on 10th June 1918. So if I was a betting man I think that this information will be mirrored on the birth entry for Alice Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 26, 2011 13:39:59 GMT -5
Okay - so Stephen himself is now confirming he was born in Victoria about 1867 or 1868. All searches on Victorian records so far have produced nothing that might be considered even a remote possibility to be a birth record for Stephen Glasson. Information so far suggests his mother was Emily BIRCHALL but there are so few of that name at any time in Victoria and no record involving an Emily. I have suggested the possibility of illegitimacy so I reckon it must be nearly time to start playing some games! So ............................ Stephen son of Emma BARCLAY born 1867 Bealiba Bealiba is West of Bendigo whereas Bridgewater is to the Northwest but both are in the Central Goldfields region. If we stretch our imagination a little there are some similarities here - Emma/Emily Barclay/Birchall - and it might depend on who was supplying the information and how they heard it in the first place. (Or how they remembered it!) Another factor here is that for 1867 and 1868 this is the ONLY record I can find that bears any similarity to what we are looking for. I will leave that to you now for interpretation. But before I finish I just found something else of possible interest. You may already know about it but ...... John GLASSON, born North America married Winifred WOODS 1881 Victoria CT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2011 16:40:13 GMT -5
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Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania to be exact. I believe he was the son of John Glasson and Mary Jane Medlan of Redruth.
The easiest scenario for me is that the birth was simply not registered.
The other interesting thing is that Stephen would surely be part of a larger family. And some of the names of the children, and grandchildren suggest that - good common Cornish names like William, Henry, John etc.
Such a fantastic list of names in the children of Stephen and Minnie that must be full of family connections:
For example one of William Rawei Coromandel Glasson's children was named - John Oliver Stephen Glasson - Stephen after the grandfather, Oliver was the great grandfather Oliver Acker, and therefore confirmation that John could be the great grandather John Glasson. So I think the names are right, and the people - but they may not be found in Australia.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 26, 2011 23:35:14 GMT -5
Ah - but is it the right scenario? Just for the record - no further trace of Stephen Barclay or Emma Barclay can be found in the Victorian BMD Indexes after the 1867 Birth and that includes a search right through to the 1980s in the Death Index. When does Stephen first appear in NZ? CT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 2:24:54 GMT -5
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I have not found a shipping entry with Stephen onboard.
Therefore the earliest reference to him must be around 1902 and the birth of William in Invercargill.
Lannanta
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