Post by arasandkered on Jul 1, 2011 21:25:48 GMT -5
Hi all, my interest is James Trezise and Margaret Mitchell of St Just in Penwith who were married about 1830.
Their sons, James, John, Thomas, Hugh and daughters, Lavinia, Grace all migrated to Ballarat, Australia.
I know alot of research on this family has already been done, but I wonder if anyone can confirm that Margaret Trezise (Mitchell) migrated to Australia with her family.
I found an Incoming Passenger List for the Great Britain depart. Liverpool on 17 Feb 1866. The arrival date in Australia (I think has been transcribed wrongly because the voyage was to take 90 days and Ancestry has their arrival date as Mar 1866, while the Public Record Office of Victoria has it as Apr 1866) was about Mar/Apr 1866.
On the list was: Margt TreYise 48; Hugh 18 labourer; Grace 14; Thomas 20. Then there is an Elizabeth TreYise age 24. Immediately under the TreYise name is John Veal age 15 labourer.
I am thinking this could be the family given that John Veal is possibly the g/son of Margaret (s/o John and Lavinia Margaret Mitchell Trezise). It seems Margaret shaved about years off her age. She listed her occupation but I can't for the life of me read it, looks like it starts with a M.
I can't find a death record for Margt in Australia and haven't searched for one yet in Cornwall.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 2, 2011 4:19:45 GMT -5
Sarah - I think we will start from the marriage of James and Margaret and then reconstruct the family before looking at the arrival in Australia. That way we will have a better idea of who is who and it should be easier to match with the passenger records.
James TREZISE, miner of St Just, married Margaret MITCHELL 10th January 1830 at St Buryan Witnesses - Jas. [illegible] Mitchell, Thomas Mitchell
That gives the abode of both James and Margaret at the time of the marriage and hopefully the two witnesses will enable us to identify Margaret correctly.
But we do have two names involved here that can be spelt a number of ways and they are often interchangeable.
For James - we would most likely find him as Trezise, Tresize or Tresise but there is the possibility it could be found with other slightly different variations.
For Margaret - most likely she will be found as Mitchell or Michell but there is also Michel, Mitchel and occasionally transcribed with an 'e' at the end.
I will take a look at your other post and then gradually start locating other records for the family.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 2, 2011 8:11:01 GMT -5
Sarah - with the way these names have been transcribed, and the condition of the 1841 Census, it is proving a little challenging to find all of the family. Margaret and son Benoni (Benjamin) were at St Just with a James Mitchel age 70 who is possibly her father. But I cannot find James Trezise or the other children at the moment.
I think James Trezise died in 1859 as per the following burial:-
James Trezise of Bollowall age 57 buried 24th July 1859 St Just in Penwith
I have also been unsuccessful, so far, in finding any of the family in the 1861 Census but will have to leave further searching until at least tomorrow.
However - I did have a look at the Victorian Pioneers Index and have found something that you may not have considered.
In 1869 there is a marriage between James CAUGHERTY and Margaret TREZISE.
Margaret was born in Cornwall and I wonder if this might be the widowed Margaret you are looking for.
James Trezise married Margaret Grenfell Mitchell St Buryan 10 Jan 1830.
James I have as dying in 1859 and Margaret as dying in 1836....However, this cannot be correct as Margaret continued to give birth until 1852....So, either I have made a mistake, and it should be 1856, or else James remarried. (I ust look into this error)
Children Lavinia, James, John, Benoni Jehabod, (remember, we have a fair bit about Benoni aka Benjamin), Thomas, Hugh, Elizabeth, and Grace.
Sarah....I'm a descendant of the Mitchell line and have some interesting stuff about Margaret and James.....
In the 1841 census we find a Margaret Trezise aged 29 living with the Mitchells in Boscarn Vean with her child Benoni but in the 1851 census he is shown as Benjamin Trezise. It seems likely that there was a break up in this family. The West Briton Newspaper of March 5 1839 states that James Trezise of St Just is seperating from his wife Margaret and will no longer be responsible for any of her debts. Nine months later Benoni (Benjamin ) was born. He was also given the name Ichabod, both Benoni and Ichabod were Biblical names originally given to children born at a time of death /tragedy. In the 1841 census, the family are scattered. Lavinia is living with her paternal Aunt, Grace Daniel in Madron, James and John with father and Paternal GM in Bollowall.
Last Edit: Jul 2, 2011 8:35:48 GMT -5 by tonymitch
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 2, 2011 16:25:28 GMT -5
The West Briton Newspaper of March 5 1839 states that James Trezise of St Just is seperating from his wife Margaret and will no longer be responsible for any of her debts.
Hmmm! - it would seem this separation was only short-lived or perhaps operated on a part-time basis because after Benoni was baptised in 1839 there were another FIVE children baptised to JAMES and Margaret Trezise of Bollowall!
Post by arasandkered on Jul 3, 2011 22:08:59 GMT -5
Thank you all for your contributions. I looked at the marriage of a Margaret Trezise and James Caugherty in 1869. There are 2 marriage entries: Margaret Isle of Man Trezise m. James Caugherty ref. 693 in 1869 and another with just Margaret Trezise (693/1869).
Death records for James Caugherty (Jas) d. Trafalgar, Victoria age 40 in 1887. Birth estimated at 1847.
The other death record for James Caugharty was in Corowa, NSW in 1890, father John mother Julia. No age or estimated birth date given.
It's just a pity they didn't have passports in those days? I'll keep delving and get back to you all.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 3, 2011 22:22:32 GMT -5
There may be a bit more to this than meets the eye Sarah.
We have the article in the West Briton suggesting the separation of James (of St Just) and Margaret yet they go on to have at least another five children according to the baptismal records.
Then there is the passenger list you have mentioned but which I have not yet seen. The thing I noticed with that information was that the ages of all parties are incorrect if it is the same family. Given the names involved and the order or birth according to age I would suggest it is probably the same family so it is not just Margaret who has been a little liberal with the truth!
When most of the children were baptised (and certainly all the later children) the family abode was Bollowall (var.) and in 1859 James Trezise of Bollowall age 57 was buried at St Just.
There has also been mention of various abodes in the same Census for different members of the family.
Now - bearing in mind that the information on the Census related to persons who slept in a particular abode on the night of the Census then it does not mean that they were there for more than one night.
That then leads to the article in the West Briton and the question - IS THIS THE SAME JAMES AND MARGARET?
CAUTION. A Separation having taken place between me, the undersigned James TREZISE, and Margaret, my wife. This is therefore to give Notice, that I will not be answerable for any debts she may contract after the date hereof.JAMES TREZISE St. Just in Penwith, March 5, 1839
as transcribed from the West Briton. The only other James & Margaret Trezise at St Just did not marry until 1846 and their children were baptised at Pendeen, so it looks like there must have been a reconciliation.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 4, 2011 5:35:47 GMT -5
That's the way I was thinking Londoner but I left it open so as to check on other possibilities.
There was actually yet another James and Margaret Trezise and I am sure you are aware of them. But for the sake of clarification should they be encountered there was the family of James Tresize and Margaret (nee Grenfell) of Sancreed.
This James was around the same age as James of Bollowall and the marriage occurred in 1832 so all the children were being baptised around the same time as those at St Just.
I mention them because there is a fairly large border shared between St Just and Sancreed.
One final reason to keep my mind open on this was that I wanted to check if there might have been yet another older couple who may have been involved in the 'separation'.
My interest is in the children of James Trezise and Margaret Mitchell. Lavinia, James, Benoni, Thomas, Hugh, Elizabeth and John most, I have accounted for except for James and in particular his arrival in Australia. I have two marriages for him in Australia (1) To Elizabeth House in 1873 and (2) To Mary Josephine Jones in 1883 after the death of Elizabeth. I agree with a previous post that Margaret and three siblings Hugh, Thomas and Elizabeth came to Australia on the "Great Britain" in 1866 but I cannot find James It has to be pre 1873 the date of his first marriage and post 1851 where he is with his parents on the census. Not found in 1861 MJM
Hello .. I am also interest in the Trezise family. I have a record of James Trezise, also spelt Tresise and Tregise, arrive on the Adamant in Adelaide 17 October 1985 at www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/adamant1865.shtml .. he is recorded a labourer rather than a miner.