Things in Christchurch have progressed well for us and we are back onto normal works with the power now restored to at least pre Monday state.
I have something for you to ponder over if you have the time?
In the 1871 census there are two Glasson girls at the Redruth Union Workhouse at Illogan - Jane aged 15 years and Mary aged 11 years. I remember that Jane was an assistant school mistress I think. Both girls were born in the USA.
In the 1881 census Jane is not about but Mary is a servant for James Radmore at New Bridge Street in St Clement. Mary does not appear in the 1891 census as a Glasson.
Now I believe that is because she married George Martin at Truro in 1882 (courtesy of the OPC database), and the reason why I think it is her is because the present address of the bride was New Bridge Street. This means that Jane and Mary were the daughters of John Glasson.
George Martin was a coachman but I cannot find George and Mary in the 1891 census.
In the 1860 US Federeal census Jane at least should have been counted, perhaps Mary, in any event I cannot find the family.
I would appreciate your assistance. I am curious to know why they came back minus both parents, and to a workhouse initially. Suggests the death of at least one parent perhaps?
Last Edit: Jun 17, 2011 16:50:46 GMT -5 by Deleted
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 18, 2011 8:26:53 GMT -5
G'day Lannanta - good to hear things are improving and let's hope that the season for setbacks is over.
I reckon it is only in this last week that I saw the 1871 Census entry for those two girls but for some reason I must have been distracted and never queried you about them.
However, I am also unable to find a trace of either of them in the 1860 US Census at the moment so their parents are a bit of a mystery. Except for the father probably being John of course. You have stated this because Mary was at New Bridge Street but it is also handy that the marriage entry records John Glasson, miner, as being her father.
The one thing that I reckon I can help you with is Jane.
After a check of the 1881 Census I checked the OPC for a possible burial and then a possible marriage without success. As a next step I had a look at FreeBMD and found a couple of 'possible' marriages in the Redruth R.D. - I fancy this one:-
1876 Redruth R.D. December Qtr Vol 5c Page 361 DENNIS Charles GLASSON Jane TRENGOVE William Albert WEARNE Elizabeth Jane
1881 Census Loddon Road Workhouse Heckingham, Norfolk Frederic ELMER, head, marr, 63, Master of Workhouse, Norfolk, Norwich Susannah, matron, marr, 63, Matron of Workhouse, Norfolk, Fritton Charles DENNIS, Schoolmstr, marr, 24, Schoolmaster of Workhouse, Cornwall, Bodmin-_an_ Jane DENNIS, Schoolmstrs, marr, 25, Schoolmistress of Workhouse, U.S. America (British Subject) Mabel DENNIS, daur, 2, Norfolk, Heckingham etc., etc.
I don't belive that it is anywhere near over to be fair, in fact there is a good possibility of another one even larger before this is all over. The number of aftershocks numbers in the thousands, which is very hard to imagine and is difficult for some to cope with.
Yes I struggle with the US records sometimes due in the most part to the various spellings and the myriads of records to search through. But as usual you have done very well.
From the 1911 census it appears as if Jane was born in Missouri, so I might have a wee hunt around that area and see if anything falls out of the tree.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 30, 2011 15:58:58 GMT -5
One more step!
Not much available for Missouri at the moment so it won't be easy tracking down this family in the US. The Census would be the best bet but when I looked a couple of weeks back I could find no obvious sign of them.
As you know these two females, Jane (c1856) and Mary (c1861) GLASSON were born in the USA and at some stage prior to the 1871 UK census the two females (at least) travelled from the USA to Illogan. Both Jane and Mary married at least once and both appear in the censuses up to and including 1911.
From two of those census Jane states that she was born in Missouri. In one of those two recordings she states that it was Moniteau County, Missouri. Both women state that their father was a John Glasson, and the assumption is made that he was a native of Cornwall thus the reason for the two women returning there. There is of course a chance that their mother was Cornish, however at this stage there is no way or proving any of that.
I have used all available data sources at my disposal and have not been able to locate a marriage record for the parents, or birth records for the children, or death records if the parents did in fact die there.
Maybe someone reading this has access to some Missouri sources that I do not, and if so I would really appreciate them having a look.
You remind me about how young my country is. I searched for a great-grandfather's family for many years. After his father died, his mother remarried and took him with her (at age 4) while leaving the older children with her in-laws on the family farm in Indiana. Her (Harriet's) 2nd husband was a traveling salesman, and they left Indiana for Missouri and then went on to Upper Michigan. Harriet and her 2nd husband who was about 10 years younger had 3 children that I know of, with only one living to adulthood. What I know about the Missouri "era" comes from other records as BMD's were not required to be reported until the early 1900's. So, when you are looking at rural areas, those records might not exist and courthouses not even built at the time. This is when you hope someone has the family Bible or a family member was mentioned in a local history book.
I know two of Jesse's younger siblings were born in Missouri from mentions in Michigan records. The family story was that he was from Georgia-- his older brother, Sam, never forgot him and tried to find him after their mother died. It took 60 years!! This hit 2 newspapers. I think the family must have joked about Sam living "down south" because most every state is south of Upper Michigan. 4 of us have memories of the (false) Georgia story.
I started all over with Jesse after having such surprising success re: my Cornish family. He couldn't name his parents on his marriage record and stated variously that he was born in Illinois, Indiana, and Missouri. That led me to toss out Georgia. As it turned out, he was born 4 months after the 1880 census and thus never appears with his family. I knew about the family reunion, and eventually found the story in a 1946 newspaper article in Michigan. I spent $2 for a copy of his brother Sam's obituary which does list Jesse as a surviving brother. This was also complicated by Jesse being known by his stepfather's last name. Imagine my loud happy dance when I opened that letter!
What you hope to find might not exist in traditional records. I still owe you a response on a Wisconsin issue, but when I traveled there recently, the historical center I hoped to visit was only open 3 days a week with limited hours due to Covid (I wasn't there at the right time.) Not forgotten.
PS, my DNA test results are at least 50% related to Jesse & Sam I found the family about 8 years ago and a cousin gifted me a test. It is snowing here for the 2nd time this week. Perhaps an early winter will move me on to new discoveries!
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Post by Glazin2018 on Jul 11, 2023 21:46:09 GMT -5
I just wanted to add to this post a total of the information that I have.
As has been stated before the two females Jane (1856) and Mary (1860) first appeared in the 1871 England census at the Redruth Union Workhouse at Illogan. They were said to have been born in North America.
In 1881 census Jane is married to Charles Dennis and she is said to have been born in USA; Mary is recorded as the same.
In 1891 Jane now says she was born in Missouri, whereas Mary only has America.
In 1901 Jane is back to saying USA and Mary is still America.
In 1911 Jane again says Moniteau County, Missouri and Mary is still America
In 1921 Jane has died and Mary now says she was born in New York.
Jane married only once and said that her father was John Glasson. Mary married twice, first to George Martin in 1882 and then later to Henry Endean in 1886. In Mary's first marriage she says that her father was John Glasson.
At Mary's first marriage she had a daughter who was named Mary Elizabeth Martin. Mary was also the first name of her husband's mother so it is remotely possible that Elizabeth could have been Mary's mother.
Jane had two daughters and a son to Charles Dennis but neither Jane's name was used nor was her father John's name used.
Neither death entries for Jane and Mary offer any clues.
I have not found them in the 1850, 60 or 70 US Census. If I knew where the records for the Redruth Union were I could possibly see when the two girls arrived there.
So for now I am stumped.
Last Edit: Jul 11, 2023 21:46:59 GMT -5 by Glazin2018
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 12, 2023 18:34:54 GMT -5
I think I may have found them!!!!
1860 US Census Bart Township, Lancaster, Pennsylvania John CLASSIN age 32 born England Jane CLASSIN age 30 born England Jane CLASSIN age 4 born Missouri John CLASSIN age 3 born Pennsylvania Mary CLASSIN age 1 born Pennsylvania
That involved a search of the 1860 Census looking for someone named Jane born 1855 daughter of John. I found them on the 10th page of hits!!
I reckon it is a very good bet that this is the family we have been looking for and it gives us one additional family member - son John - as well as the forename of the wife.
Nothing found in the openly available Pennsylvania records but it is possible there might be some Lancaster County records in the FS collection. It would mean a 'deep dive' into the catalogue and then a search of any items of interest image by image.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 12, 2023 18:41:22 GMT -5
Just checked FamilySearch and there are some Bart Township records on film - unfortunately that film is locked and can only be viewed at a FamilySearch Center of at a FamilySearch affiliate library.
Note Location Collection/Shelf Film Image Group Number (DGS) Format Session minutes 1846-1874 -- Church records 1882-1894 -- Baptisms 1846-1859 -- Deaths 1882-1886 Family History Library United States & Canada 2nd Floor Film 503586 8139333 Search the index
The Baptisms 1846-1859 should cover the period when John and Mary were born but finding her would be dependent on 1. these children being baptised and 2. the family being at Bart Township at the time.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 12, 2023 18:45:56 GMT -5
Had a look at my database and I seem to have just one John Glasson who might come close to a match for the details we have. This was the son of Richard Glasson and Mary Thomas born at Calstock about 1826/7 and baptised at Manaccan 10th March 1830.
You will no doubt have this information in your database but John died at the Prince Alfred Hospital at Camperdown NSW in 1884 age 49. He is supposed to have been married (recorded as a widower at death) but I do not have any details of a wife or family for him.
The man who called you a terrier had obviously seen a few
But in the 1871 census there is a John Glasson aged 14 years who was a servant at the house of John & Elizabeth Glasson Connor Downs - young John was said to have been born in America!!! Then he went to Australia.....
Marriage at the Residence of Mr James Whitrow, Avoca, Victoria, Australia on the 9th November 1881
John Glasson, bachelor, born North America, aged 24 years, miner, present and usual address Avoca, son of John Glasson and Mary Jane Medlan
Winifred Woods, spinster, born Creswick, Victoria, aged 22 years, domestic servant, present and usual address Maryborough, Victoria, daughter of John Woods and Catherine Tanny.
Witnesses: James Whitrow, Eliza Whitrow
For some reason I have him my database as being born in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
Last Edit: Jul 13, 2023 3:45:41 GMT -5 by Glazin2018
The ship "Lady Bulwer" arrived in port in the USA on the 13th September 1853. The following were among the passengers: John Glasson, aged 29 years. Mary Jane Glasson, aged 25 years Jane Glasson, aged 13 years Cath Glasson, aged 11 years. Joseph Glasson, aged 8 years.
This entry possibly explains why John and Mary Jane are not found in the 1861 Cornwall census - returning after the census for John to die at home of his miner's disease.
In the above shipping list Jane, Cath & Joseph are John's siblings. Mary Jane is John's wife.
John died in 1862 in Redruth, Mary Jane in 1867 in Redruth - which could be why the two girls (Jane & Mary) were at the Workhouse.
Last Edit: Jul 13, 2023 4:22:05 GMT -5 by Glazin2018