Post by davidkingmartin on May 25, 2011 6:32:12 GMT -5
Likewise! I have this "line" on my database/Tree.I may have "nicked" the info.from an Ancestry Member`s Tree but,several years ago, . I scoured the online Towednack material in an attempt to "verify" data. As CT says, the early material is a mess. Elizabeth should bear in mind that I MAY be re-cycling her findings! David
I have followed up on information provided about James Ninneses second family and couldn't find a birth for William Henry Ninnes but because the 1881 Census said that his name was William Henry Nash Ninnes I checked for a birth for William Henry Nash and found his birth in 1852 so I have sought a certificate from GRO for him and Elizabeth and George. I have also requested the marriage certificate for James and Eleanor. Part of an earlier report said that Elizabeth married in 1880. I looked on FreeBMD and noticed an Elizabeth Anne married either a Pridmore or Turpin. Does anybody know whom Elizabeth married?
I can't find what the heck I've done with the papers I had on your Ninnes family. Hopefully they will turn up....
Anyway; mmm, I remember it was easy to trace in censuses what became of the 2 half-brothers to your ancestor, William Henry & George Ninnes, but I couldn't immediately find the half-sister Elizabeth b Sep Q 1853: the one we are guessing in June Q 1880 became married Elizabeth Pridmore/Turpin.
A**c**try has a lot of the London marriage index & images online now, so you may find some details as to the husband there. Afraid I only have "free" censuses access at present, so can only access A**c**try via a trip to the library, which I can't do for a bit.
I can however see from a free search on A**c**try's “London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921” collection that the image is there, & it indicates spouse = Harry Predmore, but I don't have access to the image.
Hopefully some kind soul here can provide you the details......
I can't see Elizabeth in 1881 census – unless she married a soldier called George H Pridmore (H for Harry??). There is a Pridmore family headed by George H Pridmore & wife Elizabeth of rightish age in 1881 @ St Pancras, London - but with Elizabeth shown as born Bath, Somerset (hmm, reminiscent of “your” Elizabeth's father...??).
But there are children..... (although it could be his 2nd marriage I suppose....) And FREEBMD has a marriage for George Henry Pridmore to Elizabeth Lucas Bath, Dec Q 1871. So looks like that 1881 census entry is out....
So that marriage parish record image London Jun Q 1880 is crucial to see, I think... .........................................................
However, I've found something that may be of interest to you: have a look at FamilySearch, where I see a marriage 1 Jan 1837 between William Ninnes & Emma Cook, at Charlton-Mackrell, Somerset. Just months before civil registration, so unfortunately no marriage certificate will exist.
Then if you search FamilySearch for Emma Cooks baptisms in Somerset – an assumption, I know – 1819+/- 5 years, I get just the 4 possibles: 28/4/1816 Abbey, Bath to Laurence & Sarah 4/6/1820 Independent, Chelwood to Job & Martha 25/2/1822 Independent, Chelwood to Jerod & Mary 15/1/1824 Independent, Chelwood to Abraham
That's my only further thoughts for the moment....
ELizabeth Ann Ninnes (26) married Harry Pridmore (31) on 17 April 1880 at St Peter's Battersea. His father William (dec) cabinet maker. Her father James (dec) watchmaker and Jeweller. Witnesses her brother George Inkerman Ninnes (the teacher/headmaster) and his wife Mary Hallett Ninnes (nee Quantock)
in 1891 Census: RG12; Piece: 433; Folio 141; Page 11 and 1901:RG13; Piece: 453; Folio: 55; Page: 41 ELIZABETH NINNES and HARRY PRIDMORE are living in Battersea with Children: i. GEORGE H.4 PRIDMORE, b. Abt. 1881, Battersea, London, England.
ii. ELEANOR MARY PRIDMORE, b. 12 Oct 1882, Battersea, London, England. More About ELEANOR MARY PRIDMORE: Residence: 1891, Battersea, London, England iii. KATE ELIZABETH PRIDMORE, b. Abt. 1885, Battersea, London, England.
iv. JESSIE ISABEL PRIDMORE, b. 1886, Battersea, London, England; m 29 Jun 1917 St Andrew Streatham. HERBERT GEORGE NINNES; (her cousin, son of George & Mary) b. Abt. 1885, Battersea, London, England; d. 31 Mar 1918, France & Flanders.
v. ETHEL A. D. PRIDMORE, b. Abt. 1888, Battersea, London, England.
vi. ARTHUR G. PRIDMORE, b. Abt. 1889, Battersea, London, England.
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 28, 2011 10:34:02 GMT -5
Perhaps I can help!
Harry Pridmore age 31, a machinist residing at 35 Simpson Street (son of William Pridmore, decd., cabinet maker) married Elizabeth Ann Ninnes age 26, spinster of 146 Meyrick Rd, daughter of James Ninnes, decd., watchmaker and jeweller at St Peter's Church, Battersea by Banns 17th April 1880 Witnesses - George Inkerman Ninnes and Mary Hallett Ninnes
I have downloaded several marriages and quite a number of baptisms which I will get to you asap.
But on checking the witnesses to the above I need to go back and check a couple of things before sending the information.
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 28, 2011 14:46:31 GMT -5
Unfortunately we can't maintain everything Sue but if we band together then we can cover more than a few bases!
Just holler any time you need something you think I might have access to.
And now I will try and do a little more work on the Ninnes information at St Ives. I was interrupted for a couple of hours by a Fire Call so I probably won't get as much done as I had intended tonight.
I'm blown away by the help you have all given me! It's amazing and so prompt. CT sent me 13 copies of Marriage and baptism certificates covering many of the family. All this data helps me complete a picture of the Ninnes family from James and James Walker Ninnes parts of the family. I have the South Australian data and together it's formed a large family treasure. It's just that early bit that gladly has CT intrigued and I'm sure he will find something and if it also leads to Eliz Barnes Ninnes heritage that will be great at finally finishing a bit of intrigue that exists as to whether the two Ninnes families have the same roots in Cornwall. Thank you all so much. Cheers.
just found a 10 yr old Edward Ninnes nb Bath, nephew to George and MAry Ann Green - could he be connected? in 1861 he is still with them (transcribed Venner)
Sue has graciously allowed me to post her latest finding from FreeReg County Somerset Place Bath Church St James BaptismDate 01 May 1840 Forename Edward Sex M FatherForename William MotherForename Emma FatherSurname NINNIS MotherSurname Abode St James Pde FatherOccupation working jeweller FileNumber 4810
I will shortly post what I discovered about Edward's family now we know for sure that he is yet another relative for Roy!
1 Edward Ninnes 1840 - 1885 . married in 1864, West Ham Essex Eliza Slater b 1841 - ........ 2 James Herbert Edward Ninnes 1865 - 1925 ............ married 1889 Rochford Essex, Elizabeth Holden b 1868 - ................... 3 John Holden Ninnis 1890 - not found after 1891 ................... 3 David Ninnes 1894 - 1920 ................... 3 Annie Margaret Ninnes 1896 - ....................... married 1915 Bristol, Edward J Newton, there is a birth reg in Bristol 1916 of Donald E Newton, mother's maiden name Ninnes, most likely their son. ................... 3 Ruth Ninnes 1907 - 2002 ........ 2 Marie Louise Ninnes 1869 - 1957 ........ 2 Maud Elsie Ninnes 1870 - 1963
As I mentioned before Edward was a tailor. Daughters Marie Louise and Maude Elsie became nurses - Maud received the Red Cross medal in WW1. Neither married. James Herbert moved to Bristol and left £770. His son David died in Mexico. Ruth died at the age of 95, unmarried in Dorset
Last Edit: May 29, 2011 9:12:51 GMT -5 by londoner
So that means GGGfather William Ninnes born Liverpool c 1820 to James Ninnes & Mary Green, had 2 sons with Emma Cook - the 1st James Walker Ninnes b 1838 seeming to have been brought up by the Gparents James Ninnes & Mary Green, and the 2nd, Edward Ninnes b 1840, brought up by a George Green and his wife Mary Ann - perhaps the brother of Mary Green. There are so many Greens in the PRs for St Swithin's, Walcot, Somerset, where Mary Green married James Ninnes in 1817 (per FREEREG - a new discovery for me...).
Hope all the information on what happened to the descendants of these various newly discover "relatives" over here in England - or Mexico, as the case may be! - is of interest, Raywalton. I certainly find it so.
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 29, 2011 12:01:46 GMT -5
I suspect Ray will be like 'a kid in a lolly shop with two quid to spend' right now! ;D
Great job girls (Londoner and Sue) and the combined effort is reaping rewards.
I am making steady progress on the St Ives and surrounds families but there will be a lot of unanswered questions for a while.
The habit of recording only name and date for burials is causing some problems as are what appear to be probably disappearing mariners.
Nevertheless progress is being made and I am beginning to lean towards my original thoughts on the identity of the James Ninnes at the centre of this conversation - i.e. that he was most probably the son of James and Jane.
I am not positive yet but it is certainly looking more likely.
Just about time for a rest methinks and the next instalment of James Bond beckons!