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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 23, 2011 13:14:32 GMT -5
Any time Ted.
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Post by getafish460 on May 25, 2011 21:55:35 GMT -5
Hi CT Found this so far: Edward Sparnon (gent) Spouse: Anne Budge (dau. of Edward Budge of Harlow Essex) • Married: 1612 in Breage • Died 1634 in Breage(that's Anne and not Edward!) Children 1. Mary Sparnon c: 14 NOV 1613 in Breage 2. Francis Sparnon c: 29 JAN 1614/15 in Breage 3. Thomas Sparnon c: 16 JUN 1616 in Breage 4. Anne Sparnon c: 7 JUN 1618 in Breage 5. John Sparnon c: 18 APR 1620 in Breage 6. Catherine Sparnon c: 14 APR 1622 in Breage 7. Edward Sparnon c: 8 AUG 1624 in Breage 8. Sidney Sparnon c: 18 DEC 1625 in Breage 9. William Sparnon b: 1628 in Breage c: FEB 1628 in Breage Married to Jane Goode 1648 ;D 10. Jane Sparnon c: 19 APR 1629 in Breage 11. Samuel Sparnon c: 3 NOV 1630 in Breage so it looks like our man Willus, could well be the father of Phillip and father in law to the illusive "vita matris" and all the others. Which means also that the Visitation records provide the names, but not the dates, alas, of everyone back to Simon, whom I reckon was circa 1508 or thereabouts. Details collated, collectively between Althea Barker, ancestry, OPC records and a few other places I can't remember..... Would you be kind enough to cast a critical eye over it and highlight any pitfalls before I put it all on to my charts. Much obliged, Ted
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 26, 2011 15:57:28 GMT -5
Ted - I have not had a chance o look through this properly as yet but will try and do so over the weekend. If all of the information comes from the OPC then it should be a fairly solid base to work from anyway. I am just now into the St Ives leg of my Ninnes research and have found a Marriage that might be of interest to you:- Mr. Thomas Tregosse, minister of this burrough, and Margarett, d. of Benjamyn SPARNON, gent., of Gwinear were married 15th February 1658 at St Ives I don't know how Gwinear fits in to your picture but it is worth keeping old Benjamin in mind. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 27, 2011 7:34:39 GMT -5
Ted - there are a number of Sparnon/Spernon marriages at Breage prior to 1600. Of particular interest is the marriage of 1st June 1578 between Edward TRENAWLE and Elizabeth, servant of Edward SPERNAN. Given this is 34 years before the marriage of Edward to Ann Budge I would suggest the possibility that the above Edward might be his grandfather. Another servant of Edward was married in 1583. I am more than a little concerned regarding the information on the marriage of Edward Sparnon and Ann Budge. It does not appear in Phillimore and nor does it appear in the transcription of the Breage Parish Register. In fact the only place I have found it so far is in IGI as an entry submitted by a Member of the LDS. Until something more substantial is found then I would treat that entry with extreme caution .... if not outright contempt! There are three entries in IGI for this record with two stating that Edward was 'of Breage' and the third going the extra step and saying, I believe totally incorrectly, that the marriage actually occurred at Breage! www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/23/53913.htmI did find this link online which shows that Edward married Anne BUGGES d/o Edward Bugges of Harlow, Essex however it does not give any information on the date or place of the marriage. If you use this information I would suggest that you DO NOT quote the date as 1612 and in particular DO NOT record the marriage at Breage. I would suggest you record that the marriage occurred 'about 1612'. You may also find the following link to the Orchard Family of interest as there is a connection here to the family of Edward and Ann Sparnon. members.iinet.net.au/~kjstew/OrchORIG.htmI see also that the marriage of Edward Sparnon to Ann Bugges is recorded in the Visitations. Based on that it appears that at least the names are accurate and that the marriage did occur. But where it occurred is open to question and I would suggest the probability that it was not in Cornwall. Any of the information you have taken from the OPC site may be considered as reliable as it is all taken directly from the Parish Registers or copies of the PRs that survive. The only proviso is that they are 'transcriptions' and are therefore subject to the usual potential for transcription errors. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 27, 2011 7:41:11 GMT -5
Where did you find this one? I see that IGI has it as 1647 but once again it is a (%&&*&^%) LDS Member-submitted entry!
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Post by getafish460 on May 30, 2011 8:57:01 GMT -5
Hi CT got that one from ancestry, so it needs checking out. Jane, apparently, came from Illogan, and I didn't see it in IGI (mind you, I'm avoiding looking in there) On My charts I've got Anne Budge as Bugges, from the visitation records, and her death from ancestry as before 19/10/1634, (from another source that I'm still trying to find again!) it is my intention, using the logic that marriages usually take place in the parish of the bride, to look for edward and Anne's marriage in Harlow. I'm intrigued to know what a chap from Cornwall was doing, and how he would come to meet and court a girl from Essex during the period in question. It is arguable that it may have something to do with his later elevation in society around 1620, or possibly his father's marriage to one of the Godolphins and the circles that they moved in, I also noticed that his father Thomas married a Kerne of Tresillian who, themselves were related to the Vivyan family, so they were all moving "on-the-up". I suppose they were the yuppies of their day! Ted
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 30, 2011 13:38:18 GMT -5
Ted - it is okay to 'use' IGI but as a guide only! Use it to find pointers to information that can be substantiated. I considered an Essex marriage also but I don't have access to enough reliable information to check it out. I do wonder thought whether it might be more a case of the Essex clan being down in Cornwall rather than our Sparnon man being in Essex. CT
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Post by getafish460 on Jun 1, 2011 21:57:29 GMT -5
Thanks CT Yes, I've taken my lead from you regarding IGI and use it for clues only now. Regarding the Essex connection, I was kind of hoping that it would be bit interesting and that he'd met her Father whilst attending something worthwhile and notable. we have yet to see!! I'm going to give the Sparnons a bit of a rest for a while and try and glean some more on the Carpenter side of my lot. Hope for your help again in a different post. Thanks for the e-mail by the way. I've nearly emptied the printer on it! and I'll trawl through that when I get the time, and try and make sense of the chronology of it all. Thanks once again Ted.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 2, 2011 5:23:08 GMT -5
No problem Ted - 'see' you in the other thread.
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Post by getafish460 on Jun 2, 2011 16:55:10 GMT -5
Hi CT, Found this whilst having a root about, complete with a nice (but very small) photo of a memorial brass, located in St Mary's, Old Harlow. Maybe I've stumbled on Anne's mother(?). I'm going to carry on searching for a bit on this one, now I've got my teeth into it. This is getting more interesting by the minute.
Janne Bugge, d. 23 Aug 1582 ['Bugge' is pronounced 'Budge']
An 18" effigy of her with her husband , three sons and 2 daughters and two coats of arms. the inscription reads:
"Here lyeth buryed the body of Janne Bugge late wyfe to Edward Bugge the elder, gent, having issue by him III sons and II daughters: which Janne deceased the XXIII day of August in the year of our Lord God 1582" the inscription is recorded by Wright [2]
Bugge was a substantial landowner in Harlow, active with John Gladwin the elder (vide no. 28) in law.
[See Antiquary XXXVIII 8]
Regards Ted
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 2, 2011 19:03:28 GMT -5
That's it Ted - when you get a 'bite' start playing the fish ...... gently! CT
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Post by getafish460 on Jun 2, 2011 23:57:43 GMT -5
Goin' for it CT! The dates seem to fit and I can seem to locate any other Bugge's in the Harlow area, so I'll go with it until I'm either proved wrong or otherwise. In the meantime I think I've found Anne's brother, Richard, resting the same church, died 31 May 1636. It seems that the family arrived in Harlow mid-C15th and held Kitchen Hall, New Hall and Moor Hall. Richard apparently died without issue, despite marrying twice, and the properties were sold and dispersed thereafter. I've got the names of both wives and that of their respective fathers, both of whom end their names gent and Esq. Interesting note: Richard Bugge's memorial brass is the last brass in East Anglia to show a man in full armour (could be useful trivia in a pub quiz! you never know!) Regards Ted
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 3, 2011 6:58:02 GMT -5
I don't know that any of my lot grazed in the same paddock as the likes of them so I haven't had any real cause to try and chase information on the upper classes. Sounds like you are having fun so I will leave you to enjoy yourself for now while I continue a couple of these other projects I am working on. I'll keep my eye open for your updates and further queries/discussion. CT
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Post by getafish460 on Aug 13, 2011 0:11:01 GMT -5
Back at last!! My research took me a bit far from my initial path , and ended up in Normandy in 909AD!! (and some rather shady characters along the way) I'm going to leave all that now and start clearing up the loose ends back in Cornwall. Be in touch soon. Ted ;D
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 13, 2011 9:12:52 GMT -5
Welcome back Ted - I guess you would have been looking for a good hot shower and some clean sheets after your adventures in Normandy! Last I heard there were not many of the more comfortable amenities available in 909AD! ;D CT
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