He went by the name of Eddy, I only found his first name a couple of years ago. I only have his father, Richard. I will ask my Nan (Eddy's sister in law), failing that my mother for Eddy's sons' (her cousins) details, so I can contact them.
Post by northfieldmn on Jun 16, 2012 16:59:36 GMT -5
I am just starting research on my grandpa, PERCIVAL HICKS, who was 7 when the family (he was the youngest of all the children) moved to the U.S. They lived in St. Erth. His father was Thomas Hicks, though it sounds like there were many people by that time. I'm just wondering how my grandpa might be related to the folks you are discussing. I am coming to England (St. Ives, in particular) on 15 June 2012 and hope to go to St. Erth to poke around. The family lived on Tremelling Lane (Tremelling Barn/Farm?).
Was looking at this all a bit too late last night and got myself in a bit of a pickle. The Thomas b 1881 I had was just Thomas married to Agnes Reed. Thought I had gone massively wrong so deleted her and all their children. This morning though, with a fresher pair of eyes, I have found the Thomas Trewhella b 1881, and Alma and their children, and added them. Just need to reinstate Agnes and her brood, probably later after a lie down! ;D
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 16, 2012 17:40:32 GMT -5
Welcome to Penwith Genealogy.
Well, looking at my records Percival was the youngest child of Thomas Hicks and his second wife Agnes Mary Reed. Thomas was previously married to Christiana Banfield Perry by whom he had one child who died in infancy. Christiana and the child were both buried together at St Erth within months of the marriage.
All the children of Thomas and Agnes appear on the attached passenger list except for another son named Henry Temple Hicks who died at the age of 2.
Thomas Hicks was baptised at Lelant 16th April 1843 son of Thomas Trewhella Hicks and Margaret (nee Richards). Thomas Trewhella Hicks then was the son of John Hicks and Catherine Trewhella who married at Ludgvan 26th March 1810.
That should help get you started and if you read through the earlier posts on this thread you should be able to work out where the other Thomas Trewhella Hicks fit in.
When you are ready with more questions just fire away and we will help as much as possible.
I am coming to England (St. Ives, in particular) on 15 June 2012
That was two days ago so I'd be thinking you've missed the boat!
Your grandfather Percival Hicks was my 1st cousin, 3 x removed.
After Thomas and Agnes went to the USA, Thomas’s youngest brother William took over at Tremelling Farm, St Erth. William was my gt gt grandfather. His son Thomas Trewhella Hicks then took on the farm and my own grandfather Thomas Percival Hicks (Percy as he was known by) was born at Tremelling Farm. I have sent you a personal message.
CT, the font of ALL knowledge. I cannot tell you how long I spent looking for Thomas Trewhella Hicks’s first marriage, the give away being ‘widower’ at the time of his marriage to Agnes Mary Reed. Where is this marriage tucked away to, I would love to know? Please point me in the right direction!
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 17, 2012 10:59:54 GMT -5
Well Jo, you see ...... it's like this .........................
Actually the only place I could find the marriage was in FreeBMD but there is a logical explanation.
Firstly, I have searched St Erth, Ludgvan and Lelant registers just to be certain after checking the OPC site and Familysearch but there is no sign of any record of the marriage.
It could have been in the Registry Office but given Christiana Perry was baptised on the Wesleyan Methodist Circuit I would suggest that the marriage probably took place in one of the Non-conformist Chapels.
Post by pacificwa on Sept 10, 2012 22:16:35 GMT -5
I am trying to sort out the correct details for Thomas (Trewhella) Hicks born 1815. Everyone here states his parents are John Hicks and Catherine Trewhella but others on Ancestry.com say they are James Hicks and Elizabeth Prideaux (Preadox). Do you know who the parents are of John Hicks. I am trying to sort it out from the Hicks point of view.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 11, 2012 2:52:14 GMT -5
I guess by your reference to Ancestry.com that you actually mean the Online Family Trees that can be found on Ancestry?
Thomas Trewheela Hicks son of John, tinner, and Catherine Hicks of Ludgvan was baptised 9th April 1815 at Ludgvan. The Parish Register also records his birth as 25th March 1815
John Hicks and Catherine Trewheela were married at Ludgvan 26th March 1810 with John Roberts and Jane Thomas as witnesses. John Hicks was buried at Lelant 13th January 1858 age 77 and in the 1851 Census his birthplace was recorded as Gulval. That information suggests that John Hicks was born at Gulval about 1780 but so far I have not been able to positively identify him.
His age in 1851 is clearly recorded as 70 and the Lelant Parish Register clearly shows his age as 77 in January 1858. If both of those records are accurate then 1781 is when he was born but neither the OPC records nor FamilySearch show a John Hicks (var.) baptised in that area on or within a few years either side of that date.
I suspect that either John Hicks did not really know when he was born (hence the inaccuracies) or his baptism did not take place until he was at least a few years old. Of five known children to John and Catherine there were three sons - John, Thomas Trewheela and Ralph - and two daughters - Mary and Jennifer. Catherine was daughter of Thomas Trewheela and Mary Edwards so the mother of John Hicks is most likely either Mary of Jennifer/Jane.
My suspicion is that John is the following:-
John son of Ralph Hext baptised 20th November 1785 at Gulval
Ralph Hicks of St Just in Penwith married Mary Thomas 26th July 1773 at Madron
The family of Ralph Hicks appears quite confusing but this is as close to identifying John Hicks as I have been able to get up to now.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 11, 2012 4:44:38 GMT -5
I have just taken a look at some of those Online Trees for Thomas Trewhella Hicks
What a @#$#$ shambles!!
One of them that I have been looking at has lots of Source Citations and looks impressive .......................... BUT!
The sources are mostly Census records which are good so long as the person you are looking for is with parents and/or other family. But Thomas Trewhella Hicks was married in 1835 so not with parents or siblings from at least that time onward meaning any conclusions from the Census are pure guesswork.
This one Tree shows that thomas Trewhella Hicks died in 1907 when he had already been dead for 26 years by that time having been buried at Lelant 11th May 1881!
There is a nice list of eleven children to Thomas and Margaret but there are at least two that do not belong while at least two others are missing!
This Tree shows one son as John Colman Hicks who married someone named Rebecca. But the son of Thomas and Margaret had no second given name and married Alma Banfield in 1880!
In fact John Colman Hicks was baptised at Chasewater 4th October 1846 son of DANIELL Hicks and wife Betsey!
And then there is Catherine Stevens Hicks in this same Tree. I don't know how the Stevens might fit in here but it does not really matter as she does not belong anyway!
Thomas and Margaret had two daughters named Catherine MARY Hicks - one 1841-1842 and the second born in 1845 who married Andrew Berriman Perry in 1876.
Oh yes - this person also got off on the wrong foot by assigning Thomas Trewhella Hicks (born Ludgvan) as a son of James Hicks and Elizabeth Prideaux who were married at Redruth, had at least five children at Redruth to 1823 and who appear to have had nothing to do with the Ludgvan area.
The one thing correct is that Thomas was born in March 1815 at Ludgvan but how on earth a connection was made to the Redruth family I have no idea.
I am not game to start looking at any of those other trees now after what I have seen with that one!
My advice to you on this particular subject is to steer clear of the Ancestry Trees as all you will do is get yourself confused and totally mislead.
If you want to work from your own connection to Thomas Trewhella Hicks then we can help you get all the links accurate back to his parents at least. On the Trewhella side I can take you back to the grandparents of Catherine but I am still working on trying to identify links beyond that. And with John Hicks - well, I have already given you what I can at the moment and it may take a bit of work to sort out for certain just where he belongs.
Quite right about the tree shambles. I believe the Hicks line is thus. (in reverse) John Hicks and CatherineTrewhella Ralph Hicks and Mary Thomas Thomas Hicks and Elizabeth Warren Thomas Hicks and Margery Bands Philip Hix and Ann Gibbes Samuel Hix and Florence Peter Hicks and Unknown I have details of all these peole and offspring if wanted. Roy
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 11, 2012 9:35:36 GMT -5
Thanks Roy - I had never pursued this family other than considering the likelihood that John was the son of Ralph and Mary Hicks. And as I said in an earlier post the family of Ralph looks a little confusing as well. I have a list of 8 possible children but it looks like two of those may have been baptised twice given I have not been able to find burials for them. And then there is the problem of one child baptised with the mother's name recorded as Elizabeth!
Mary bp. 24th April 1774 St Just daughter of Ralph and Mary Hicks Mary bp. 1st August 1775 St Just daughter of Ralph Hicks Elizabeth bp. 31st October 1775 St Just daughter of Ralph Hicks Ralph bp. 17th January 1777 St Just son of Ralph and Elizabeth Hicks Jennifer bp. 6th August 1780 Morvah daughter of Ralph Hext John bp. 20th November 1785 Gulval son of Ralph Hext William bp. 11th November 1787 Gulval son of Ralph Hicks Jennifer bp. 9th November 1788 Gulval daughter of Ralph Hext
With the second Mary baptised just one month before Elizabeth I would think there is almost certainly a second baptism involved but then I have found no burial for Jennifer (1780) before another Jennifer is baptised in 1788.
And then son Ralph has his mother recorded as Elizabeth yet I can find no marriage for a Ralph Hicks/Hext to an Elizabeth.
But I guess you have been down this path and may have the answers without me stressing too much!
HI Roy and CT Thank you for the lead as to the parentage of John Hicks, Hext not being a variant I had searched, and had not gone beyond John previously. Those Ancestry trees are a bit of a laugh. The same trees also list my g grandfather Thomas Trewhella Hicks, b 1885, but for some unknown reason the owners have decided that is middle name is Grant and not Trewhella. I did contact the owners when they copied photo's from my tree to theirs, and suggested that they get his name correct. I had no response, and subsequently my tree is now private. Just had a look and see that one has politely now given the middle intial T, the other still says Grant. Oh well, as long as they are happy!