Yes, Thomas Trewhella Hicks, then his son William, son Thomas, son Thomas (Percy), my mum and then me. It was my great uncle born in 1923 that also had the middle name Trewhella, my first little taster of the name, I didn't realise I would have to go so far back. Very satisfying to find the source and to be part of the gang! ;D
Yes, Thomas Percival Hicks was born 14 April 1919, St Erth s/o Thomas Hicks (b 1885) and Mary Roberts. Thomas Percival was always known as Percy.
Thomas Hicks and Mary Roberts married 18 October 1916 in St Erth.
Sorry, I may be a bit slow on the uptake here, you also mention Thomas Trewhella Hicks. The only one of those I have at present is Catherine's son, born 1815. Percy's father I have as just Thomas, per the family bible, I do not have a birth cert for him. Percy's brother was William Trewhella Hicks, b 1923.
Please let me know what other info you would like.
Was looking at this all a bit too late last night and got myself in a bit of a pickle. The Thomas b 1881 I had was just Thomas married to Agnes Reed. Thought I had gone massively wrong so deleted her and all their children. This morning though, with a fresher pair of eyes, I have found the Thomas Trewhella b 1881, and Alma and their children, and added them. Just need to reinstate Agnes and her brood, probably later after a lie down! ;D
Just thought I'd stop by whilst my husband's birthday cake is cooling, before decorating!
Thank you for you vast efforts, and I think I may have found another Thomas Trewhella Hicks for you, but I'll get some more info together first, and let you have that after you have had a longer lie down!
I have got back to William Roberts, and White has been very kind enough to give me even more details on them ;D
One small correction though with regards to Catherine Ann Dale, she was the third child of TWENTY , of which two died in infancy.
I must admit, when I first found that out I did leave it for a while, before tackling. Through another cousin of mine discovered that there is a website for the Dale family. I've had a little bit of input in that site.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 19, 2011 11:32:21 GMT -5
Hi Jo - I was not aware of the other child (Thomas) until today. He was born and died between Census years and his baptism does not seem to appear in any records for which I have access so it is probably little wonder I don't know about him.
And I have been looking at that site also. In fact I have spent the last MANY HOURS working on this.
And one of the things I am working in is corrections to the information contained on that site.
First of all these people have the wrong Richard and Jane Dale involved.
If the link to Carnstabba is correct then Richard and Jane had NO CHILDREN. But if the link to the children is correct then Carnstabba is wrong.
I have a lot more work to do on this yet but you can be sure that the story has a number of errors including the detail about the Birth Certificate and that column being reserved for the father to sign so that he acknowledges he is the father.
In my opinion that is a pile of hogwash!
I have certificates from that era where the informant was the mother. In fact that was one of the children of my 2xgt-grandparents. Another certificate has the informant of an illegitimate child as the 'occupier of the house' - in other words the Landlady.
In another example I have a Trewhella with two birth certificates. On one the informant is the father of the child and it was issued at Ludgvan. The other certificate was issued at Saltash and was signed by the child's grandfather who, for easons unknown to me, apparently had quite some dislike for his son-in-law.
It may have been 'usual' for a family member to be the Informant but it was certainly not necessary and I do not believe any column was 'reserved' for anyone special.
If that were the case then that column would have something to indicate that Only the Father were to sign and acknowledge!
Details of the father come under the Column labelled "Name and Surname of Father".
And if, as is being claimed, the father of Charles Dale was Edward Hain then why did Charles name his son JAMES Hain Dale?
In my opinion, if a Hain was involved with the paternity of Charles Dale then that man was more likely to have been Edward Hain's brother JAMES Hain who was born in 1817 at St Ives.
It must be remembered that Edward Hain was married with a number of children by 1838 and it should be noted that brother James did not marry until 1840.
With all of this story the person I am actually more interested in learning about at the moment is JANE EUSTIS!
Oh gosh CT, please don't spend any time on this on my account; I'm sure that this is the Trewhella board too.
I did not read too much into the padding, in fact Charles Dale's life on my tree only begins with is marriage to my 3 x g grandmother Mary. I've just looked at the site to remind myself, and still don't get the bit how he acknowledges the birth without marking or signing the certificate. and how Elizabeth took it 10 days after to be registered? I suppose there is only one way to find out, and that's to order one. I'll let you have a copy too
There are 3 Charles Dales registered in Penzance around his supposed year of birth, and I have not had the inclination (as yet) to persue him further. I've not even looked at census records yet for him pre-marriage.
If I recall correctly I believe that there also appeared to be a couple of Mary Quick Rosewalls in St Ives at the time too, hence not gone any further back with her yet either. I had put them both to bed for a while
Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 20, 2011 14:15:26 GMT -5
Jo - too late for me to 'ease off' on this one! It will probably warrent a thread of its own but I will wait until I have done some more work and probably also until after I have contacted the authors to inform them of the corrections that need to be made.
I believe you will find this Charles was registered in the September Qtr of 1838.
I need to see that certificate for a couple of reasons and had planned to ask if the authors of the Dale History had a copy that could duplicate and send me. But I don't know for certain that they have a copy - only that they make reference to it.
But I need to see the signiature of Elizabeth Dale to compare it with her signiature on a marriage record which will then hopefully confirm the identity of which Richard Dale was involved.
And I also need to see the date of birth and the date the birth was registered as that I think has an important part to play in getting this story corrected.
still don't get the bit how he acknowledges the birth without marking or signing the certificate.
That is one of the first parts of the story that I believe is a fallacy.
That particular column is headed 'Signiature, Residence and Description of Informant'. It says nothing about 'the Father must sign here' and there is nothing to say who can or cannot register a birth.
In fact many births were registered by doctors or midwives, mother's, grandparents and even, as I can prove, by the Landlord!
If Richard Dale was not the father then there was no need for his name to be entered on the certificate at all so the fact that the name Richard Dale appears indicates that in all probability he was most certainly the father.
But all that will hopefully be described properly once I have finished my investigation and have spoken with the Dale researchers.