I knew there was something I wanted to ask - in messing around so to speak and trying to sort out the family the SINCOCK name crops up time and again. For instance Solomon Rogers married Mary Penaluna SINCOCK; Mary's sister Ann married Daniel WILLIAMS - who had previously been married to Grace ROGERS; now to confuse things a little, Mary and Ann's brother William SINCOCK has a son Jacob SINCOCK who is married to a Sarah Jane ROGERS bn 1861. I think, but am not sure, but Sarah Jane could well be the daughter of Solomon ROGERS and Mary Penaluna SINCOCK. Their daughter Sarah Jane was also born in 1861. How can I prove that Sarah Jane ROGERS d/o Solomon and Mary P ROGERS is the same Sarah Jane ROGERS who married Jacob SINCOCK.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 6, 2014 2:49:22 GMT -5
Re Fenning - I have checked birth indexes for Victoria, NSW, Qld and South Australia and found nothing. I also had a look at the 1860 US Census but there is no sign of them there either. Given the conditions in Ireland I would have doubts about their returning to that Country but South Africa might be an option.
Re Sincock/Rogers - the marriage appears to have been Non-conformist or Registry Office so the details are not available online yet. I have checked the 1891 Census and found Jacob and Sarah Sincock at Bospidnick in Sithney. Sarah is recrded as being age 30 and born in Sithney so the first thing to do is to check other Census records for consistency. In 1901 Sarah is age 40 and her birthplace still recorded as Sithney and in 1911 she is 50 with birthplace Sithney. The next thing to do is to establish how many girls there were named Sarah Jane Rogers who were born say between about 1857 and 1864. That date range would hopefully cater for any variations of age in Census and other records. And rather than restrict the search to 'Sarah Jane' it is probably worth checking without using the second forename because often children were registered under one name (e.g. Sarah) and then baptized with two forenames (e.g. Sarah Jane). And it is always a good idea to when search for anyone named 'Sarah' to also include a search for 'Sally'!
FreeBMD gives us six options in Cornwall but we can discount the last which was Sarah Ann Rogers born in the Redruth R.D. in 1864. We can narrow the list further because we know Sarah Jane was born in Sithney which was in the Helston R.D. so that cuts it down to just two options:-
Sarah Jane Rogers born Helston R.D. March Qtr 1858 Sarah Rogers born Helston R.D. March Qtr 1861
A check of the 1881 Census was not really helpful. There is a Sarah J Rogers born about 1857/8 Breage but employed as a servant at Budock and then there is a Sarah J Rogers born about 1861/2 at 'Bosvar, Cornwall' and she is employed as a servant at Falmouth. (I don't have a clue where 'Bosvar' might be!) And just to help confuse matters a little more there is a Sarah Rogers born about 1861/2 at Crowan but living in Staffordshire with parents James T and Eliza Rogers. I think we can safely ignore this last one but I should point out that her birth did not appear in FreeBMD - just another little problem to be aware of!
The idea now is to go back to the earliest Census our possibilities might appear in and that is 1861 where we find:-
Sarah J Rogers daughter of William and Hannah living at Crowan. Sarah was born at Breage and is age 3 so she is the girl working at Budock in 1881. Sarah J Rogers daughter of Solomon and Mary living at Sithney. Sarah was born at Sithney and is age just 1 month.
The same two girls are still with their parents in 1871:- Sarah Jane Rogers daughter of William and Hannah is now recorded as being born at Crowan but her age is still consistent. Solomon's daughter is now simply called 'Sarah' but her age is 9 suggesting she may have been born in 1862.
My opinion is that there is enough evidence here to suggest that the Sarah Jane Rogers who married Jacob Sincock was almost certainly the daughter of Solomon and Mary.
Thank you for that. I saw the Sarah J Rogers entry born 1861/2 at Bosvar, Cornwall and like you I have no clue where that would be. I just googled it and it came up with did I mean: Bosvean, Cornwall; Bosinver, Corwall or Rosevear, Cornwall. I am trying to scroll down the page with one that had it but cannot find the entry as it is hard on the eyes and looking at other pages its possible that is is short for Bosvarren.
I think part of my reasoning was that Jacob and Sarah Jane were cousins, and my gut feeling was he was possibly more likely to marry a cousin as many did back then.
(James Rosemergy's first wife 'appears' to have been a Mary Stephens with that marriage occurring at Sithney 15th August 1831).
CT I am once again looking at Rogers (thanks to a computer crash and putting an old GEDCOM back on - long story so I won't go there, lol) and I found another marriage for James Rosemergy on the Cornwall OPC site. I have a burial for him on 08 Nov 1850 Sithney and he was aged 76 years. This means a birth date of around 1774. There is another marriage of a James Rosemergy to a Mary Stephens on 26 Jul 1795 St Hilary. There is a child James Rosemergy bapt 5 Feb 1797 born to a James and Mary - I think he is the one who married the other Mary Stephens in 1831.
I am also still looking at PASCOE and now TOY/E. Have had a few possible leads but nothing positive.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 25, 2014 4:31:55 GMT -5
Since reading your post I have had another look at some of this family and I tend to agree with you about the two Mary Stephens marriages. In fact it looks now as if the two marriages might be father and son!
If we are now dealing with a father and son who each married a Mary Stephens (not the first time I have seen this) then we have another issue to contend with. The records I have looked at so far would now indicate that the elder James Rosemergy was first married to someone about 17 years older than he!
James Rosemergy appears to be the man buried in 1850 age 76 and I now think he is probably the James son of James and Thomasin Rosemergy baptized at Breage in 1776. This James then marries Mary Stephens at Breage in 1795 and has just the one child - son James baptized in 1795 who goes on to Mary another Mary Stephens in 1831. The only likely burial for the wife of the elder James appears to be Mary Rosemergy of Sithney age 82 buried 5th June 1839 at Breage. That puts her birth around 1757 which, as alluded to above, would mean she had to be at least 17 years older than James. That is no great problem as she would have been around age 40 at the birth of son James but it would explain why there appear to be no other children.
I will try and ponder further on this over the coming days but for the moment will leave you with those thoughts.
Hi all, back again after a long spell - where has this year gone to? Thanks CT for the update on the "Fennings"- South Africa in the 1860! that's even more of a challenge than New Plymouth at that time. Never thought of that one but have to admit a possibility... now that will certainly expand my knowledge of researching on the internet.
re: Henry ROGERS I've just been sent a copy of the letter to the Editor written by Malcolm Belcher that makes the reference mention by daisygrey where he refers to a "Rogers' death after the battle of Okutuku. Checked past papers for that battle and it was in 1866 and no mention of a Rogers in the nz.bdm for a Rogers of that age.An unknown Rogers in 1866.
Malcolm Belcher had verbal Rogers knowledge from some of the family papers I've seen over the years and so there is a faint possibility that Henry Rogers may be the brother buried at the unmarked grave at Mangati ( Bell Block)as there were no children of John and Mary who died during the epidemics of those times as Malcolm writes in the article.
What interests me is this statement "it may be a grave of Henry, a brother who is listed as "died" but signed his father's death certificate when he was 23. A "Rogers" was reported missing after the Battle of Okutuku in 1864 but did not know the first name" - anyone know anything about what references he appears to be referring to or the name of the paper where the letter to the Editor clipping came from ?
Thanks CT for that. I am not sure Carol but it could have been the Taranaki Herald - depends when it was written. If not that then the Taranaki Daily News would be my other suggestion. I have been updating information. I am not sure I will get all the info back I had but I am trying. Got lots of papers to go through.
I did wonder about South Africa as a possibility regarding William and Anna Marie Fenning. But I have no experience of researching even the basics there. I did have a GedCom from Malcolm some time ago.
Have been trying to close gaps on Henry Rogers born 1830 Cornwall, son of John and Mary nee Faull, emigrated on "Essex" in 1842 to New Plymouth, NZ ,who after 1858 disappears from NZ sources. Linked with another Henry Rogers family researcher in Taranaki areas ( South Island Rogers family ) and she mentions the Faull brothers in New Plymouth as having done their FAULL line and that they were possibly connected to Mary ROGERS nee FAULL. Has anyone done/seen any work on the Faull's in New Plymouth. New Zealand ?
Hi again, yes it has been a while. I have been working on the families of Henry Rogers and Mary Pascoe, although more to the point tidying up my records. And printing out what I have so I have a decent record. I have only encountered one problem and that is with a Grace Rogers who was the daughter of Henry Rogers and Elizabeth George. I cannot find her after the 1851 Census under Rogers. So I searched the 1861 Census on FreeCen just using her given name. There were three possibilities but after searching of FreeBDM I discovered only one of the three married a Rogers. The age of Grace Rogers who married William Tremelling (spelt various ways) was consistent with what the Grace Rogers would have been in the 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901 Census. I did do this as a separate file until I could prove Grace was the daughter of Henry and Elizabeth, but that is something to work out in the future.
I have done a bit of work on the Faulls Carol and yes there is a connection with Richard Faull to Mary Faull. Just going from memory Mary was his niece but not 100% sure on that.
Hi all, I am a descendant of Solomon Rogers and Margaret Fry, they are my maternal great grandparents. Solomon Rogers moved to Tuakau from Taranaki, married and was granted land at Cameron Town, out from Pukekohe. He is buried at Pukekohe Cemetery. Solomon and Margaret had 7 children. My mother is their grandchild born to Emily Grace Rogers and James Rowan Bruce. This information may be of use to you.
Post by bulgaroutlook on Apr 17, 2016 21:57:47 GMT -5
Henry Rogers is someone who I am trying to clarify whether he is perhaps an ancestor of sorts. I was told that he was relative and had a close association with my great grandfather - Henry Ainsworth of New Plymouth. It is my understanding that Henry Rogers died in 1905, aged 75, and is buried at Te Henui. He did also, as I understand it, seem to be out of New Zealand for much of his life - travelling to Australia, the USA, probably Canada and England. I would like to know his wife's maiden name - she died in 1927 aged 91, according to the records I've seen. Her forename was given as Selina.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 18, 2016 2:44:19 GMT -5
I can't tell you much, at least not yet, but I can certainly confirm some details.
There certainly was a Henry Rogers with wife Selina in New Zealand and they can be found in the 1900 Electoral Rolls at Eliot Street Taranaki. (I chose this roll as it is close to when Henry is supposed to have died.) In 1900 Henry Rogers was recorded as a 'mariner' which will help explain the stories of him being away from NZ so often. After seeing this record I checked NZ death and burial records and found the following:-
From a combination of the NZ BDM Index (online) and the New Zealand Death Index (Ancestry) - Henry Rogers age 75 died 1905 New Plymouth - Selina Rogers age 91 died 1927 New Plymouth, Taranaki
Te Henui Cemetery records show that a Henry Rogers, retired master mariner, was buried in that Cemetery however there are no further details recorded - not even the year! Records for the same cemetery also show that a Selina Rogers was buried there but, as with Henry, there are no details other than her name recorded.
The earliest record I can find at the moment for Henry Rogers in New Zealand is the 1885/6 Electoral Roll where he was already at Elliot Street New Plymouth/Taranki.