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Post by daisygrey on Feb 10, 2012 22:25:18 GMT -5
Hi, I am new to this site, and was thrilled to see all the comments about my Rogers' family from Crowan! I was just playing round on the internet, because my husband was watching cricket, and voila! Cricket does have some good points after all. The child born in 1850, in NZ, was a male: I have a name for him - James John, and he was born on 3 March 1850, and died on 4th March 1850. This was on the family tree when I came into possession of it. I am assuming it is all on record at Puke Ariki Museum. I had heard of that Henry Rogers, but didn't see how he would tie in with a family of miners. The Henry that concerns me is the son of John and Mary. There doesn't seem to be any records of what happened to him or where he went after they got to NZ. And if anyone out there knew where Josiah grew up and with whom, after his mother was killed, I would be grateful! Daisygrey
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 11, 2012 3:05:02 GMT -5
At last I can answer this one for you! Holy Trinity Church, Carnmenellis - 15th February 1864 - by Banns Thomas Penberthy Williams age 24, bachelor, miner of Four Lanes, son of Daniel Williams, miner Ann Uren age 20, spinster of Prazerath(?), daughter of Bennet Uren, miner (deceased) Witnesses - William Tregoning, William Richards junr. Carnmenellis is a 'Modern Parish' formed out of the Northern part of Wendron in 1846. In 1881 the Northern part of Carnmenellis became the Modern Parish of Pencoys. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 11, 2012 3:52:51 GMT -5
Hi 'Daisygrey' and welcome to the site. I am sure Carol and Raewyn will be back into this discussion soon. CT
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Post by rbevans75 on Feb 11, 2012 17:45:59 GMT -5
Hi,
Well I have put the Rogers (and Pascoes) on the backburner for a short while (I hope)....but hopefully I can answer Daisygrey query regarding Josiah. My understanding is that older brother William cared for the younger members of the family. I do not know for sure though - Carol may know more. John the oldest son was married to Elizabeth Ann Jury and they had a family. His eldest child was John James and born 23 Jan 1850 and baptised 3 Mar 1850 - it is this couple I am descended from. However John's mother Mary nee Faull gave birth to a still born female child on 3 Jan 1850. Mary was about 46 when she had this child. I am in New Plymouth and am planning a trip to Puke Ariki Research Centre on Monday (all being well) so will have a look to see if there is anything I can find to support the statement that it was William who looked after the younger children.
Regards, Raewyn
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Post by carolbea on Feb 12, 2012 0:14:27 GMT -5
Kia Ora from NZ to all We know that Victorine Rogers was in the gusradianship of William Rogers and that he went with her to Auckland for the trial of Joseph Cassidy who murdered her mother. She remained in the area and later married the Thomas Goddard who was the Inn Keeper at Bell Block. I am making an assumption that Jonanathon Rogers also went to live with William as in the pastpapers he is a witness in TWO court cases and was working in the Bell Block area and employed through connections to the Rogers family and Bell Block families there. While there are people who have stated that all three younger children went with William Rogers and his wife , there is no evidence / or any thing verifying this fact. I am keeping an open mind on Josiah. Josiah Rogers married and lived his life on the other side of the mountain. His sister Anna Maria Rogers who married William Fenning was living in Omata.( ref: Halse - McLean papers relating to William Caines claim against William Fenning) Brother Henry Rogers was also living in Omata area at some time. William and Eliza Rogers had a young family at the time and it is possible that Josiah may have gone with other family members in the Omata area rather than with William and Eliza Rogers.
Brick Wall re: William Fenning married Anna Maria Rogers- they have disappeared. William Caines of Wanganui had paid for William Fennings discharge from the 65th Regiment in Wanganui in 1848. The original aggreement is in the Wanganui museum. Amazing experience to be the one to find it-( well it wasn't lost- we just didn't know about it. William Fenning and Joseph Cassidy were in the same unit and came to NZ at the same time. William Fenning ha to be the connection to Joseph Cassidy boarding with John and Mary Rogers from 1850 when Cassidy got his release from the 65th. Both these men were Irish. Henry Rogers , son of Mary Rogers and John Rogers has also dropped from records about 1860. Re: Faull. Have found a leter to the Editor that states it is possible thatMary Rogers nee Faull was the sister of Richard Faull who came out on the Wiliam Bryant- have not picked up on this connection yet- a task for a rainy day later on Carolbea
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Post by daisygrey on Feb 14, 2012 1:38:11 GMT -5
Thanks for all that. I'm pretty sure Josiah bought a farm in Omata area, so will settle for that. But thank you for the info about Cassidy: I knew about him,but not that he had been boarding with them while John was still alive. At some stage, can you tell me where and if John and Mary bought land and would this sort of info be available at Puke Ariki? Cheers, Daisygrey
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Post by kickbacked on Oct 20, 2012 8:32:46 GMT -5
Hi, am new to this site. I had a relative which stated that John Davies originated from Crowan and then married Susanna Temby in Cornwall, was wondering if you had any info from the late 1700's back. She also claimed that this Davies line was married to a Rogers.
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Post by carolbea on Dec 16, 2012 18:53:50 GMT -5
Hi Daisygrey been off line for some time and some of the info below may already be in your possession.
Interested in info of land that Josiah Rogers brought at Omata (NZ year and location if you have this and reference.if you have these details). Further information on Josiah Rogers and wife Mary( nee Shore)
Josiah Rogers (died 30th Nov 1925) aged 79yrs is buried at Eltham cemetry with wife Mary ( died 22 June 1912 aged 55yrs) and in past papers NZ there is reference to Josiah and Mary Rogers living in that district. Large headstone with inscriptions.
Josiah Rogers also claimed for NZ War medal Nat Archives reference AD32/241. and this document has Josiah's signature. Dated Nov 1912 at Mangatoki which is 8km from Eltham.
re: Land for John and Mary Rogers - Puke Ariki Museum have the details for the original section that John Rogers got as part of the emigration deal to NZ, which he immediately sold. The land is included in the Pukekura Park but on the original Carrington Map the section is identified. Mary Rogers brought at Barnett Rd in the Grey block 13F ( four acres) where she was living when she was murdered by Cassidy. National Archives have details . This land was later claimed by her eldest son John Rogers and the details of this request for recognition as eldest son of deceased is also held at National Archives.
Still looking for Henry Rogers born , Ann Maria Rogers and her husband William Fenning post 1860 - or any earlier information that might assist with leads
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 16, 2012 21:20:51 GMT -5
Hi 'kickbacked' - my apologies but I missed your query when first posted. This is probably John Davies, tinner, and Susannah Temby who married at Camborne 24th September 1785. I cannot immediately find a Davies/Rogers marriage that might link here but if you can supply some further information it might help. Is there any indication of just when such a marriage might have taken place? Was it supposed to have been the parents of John Davies or perhaps further back? CT
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Post by daisygrey on Mar 25, 2013 19:43:21 GMT -5
I have also been off-line for ages. Got side-tracked with books and twin granchildren!! I am so sorry to have put you wrong. Josiah didn't own land in Omata, it was John Rogers. Josiah owned land in Kaponga. Henry Rogers who seems to be the enigma of the family. I came across a interesting newspaper clipping that was with my father's papers when he died. Don't know the date of the newspaper, but among other things, it mentions William and Samuel and their wives being buried at Bell Block, (their headstones can be seen from the road, which, my brother has travelled along for over 40 years, and didn't even know they were there, until recently!) It also says there is an unmarked grave, that may contain the remains of three of John and Mary's children, or, it may be Henry Rogers'. A 'Rogers' was reported missing after the Battle of Okutuku in 1864, but the first name was not known. Maybe it could be Henry?? :
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Post by carolbea on Apr 25, 2014 19:41:25 GMT -5
re: Henry Rogers in New Plymouth Settlement back again- cannot believe how much time has passed since last on site- back on the ROGERS again
Taranaki Herald 20th Feb 1858 has Henry ROGERS labourer Omata shown in Jury roll with his brother John ROGERS farmer Omata , so am thinking HENRY still alive then but interesting newspaper article you hold . Perhaps from old TH - will do search on pastpapers and see what comes up. Still no further ahead with his sister Ann Maria and husband William FENNING
Carolbea
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Post by rbevans75 on Jul 28, 2014 4:35:21 GMT -5
I am also back looking at the Rogers family after a lengthy break. I have not found anything new but am now updating my records. I also cannot believe how time has passed since I last came on here. Anna Maria and William Fenning are still a mystery.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 28, 2014 8:12:36 GMT -5
Welcome back! I guess we will have to have another look at the mystery couple again so perhaps it would help if you were to outline the brief details for us again. CT
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Post by rbevans75 on Aug 6, 2014 0:16:10 GMT -5
Anna Maria Rogers and William Fenning were married on 15 June 1850 in Taranaki, New Zealand. I know nothing about him and they disappear soon after their marriage which makes me wonder if they have left for Australia or even back to Cornwall, Ireland, or elsewhere. If he was Irish then its always possible they returned to Ireland....this is only speculation on my part. Neither appear on the Death indexes online for New Zealand. I have never found children for this couple. Anna Maria and her brother Henry are the only ones I cannot find anything further on.
I am still trying to sort out the siblings of John Rogers (their father). If you recall there were two that we were unsure about regarding marriages. One of these was Mary Rogers and I have just been looking at the OPC for Cornwall site at the burials - in 1819 there is a burial of a Mary Rogers aged 24 years on 27 Oct 1819 at Crowan. This is a birth year of approx 1895 - the Mary Rogers I am looking for was born Nov 1796 so I am not discounting this one as being a sibling of John Rogers....perhaps she never married.
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Post by rbevans75 on Aug 6, 2014 0:24:47 GMT -5
For daisygrey: There is a grave somewhere at the Henui Church on Devon Street that has the remains of Mary Rogers (aged 15)and there were I think another two in the grave. One could be the stillborn child of John and Mary in 1850. I recall seeing an announcement asking for relatives of Mary Rogers (there were 3 names given) to contact the council I think as they wanted to disinter the remains and bury them elsewhere. I do not know if this was ever done.
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