Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 27, 2011 2:33:34 GMT -5
You seem to have implemented a reasonable little plan there Raewyn.
There was also a second possibility for a marriage for Richard with a marriage at Breage for a Richard Rogers of Sithney around a similar time to the marriage to Sally Russell. Both families appear in the Census records and I found enough to indicate that your first thoughts were the more likely and that Sally Russell is the wife of your Richard.
In the end I was able to agree with each of your potential marriages except Mary as noted.
Sarah Kempthorne, wife of Thomas, was a sister to William's wife Elizabeth Kempthorne. They were both baptised at Sithney and were among a number of children for James Kempthorne and his wife Jane (nee Pascoe).
According to my records now there are only two siblings of John Rogers to be accounted for - Mary and Elizabeth. I don't have burials for everyone as yet but we have the marriages accounted for apart from the two girls.
Kia Ora to you both- great to be building a wider picture of this family
There is a burial on the Sithney OPC for an Elizabeth Rogers 14 February,1851 at Sithney aged 41years. Given the 2nd marriage of William Rogers to Elizabeth George, this would seem like a possibility. Interesting to note that Elizabeth Kempthorne mother was a Pascoe - can see a need Raewyn to make a start on the Pascoe line in earnest soon.
I quite agree we probably should look at the PASCOE line soon. My first thought when I realised that the Kempthorne sisters mother was a PASCOE, could she have been a sister to Mary, and therefore the Kempthornes were cousins to the Rogers - didn't come up with anything to say she was, but then again notihing to say she isn't. Williams line apart from his second marriage to Elizabeth nee GEORGE has another little twist just down the line. A son appears to have married at just 17 and his wife is a few years older. Their daughter Anna Maria (Annie) is baptised a Rogers at age 4 yrs, on the Census as a Rogers until the 1881 Census when she appears with her husband. Interestingly no relationship appears for her on the Census to John Rogers, her father, yet her husband John H MEAGER is stated as Son in law. It took me quite a while to track down the marriage and she is married under the surname SEARLE and it stated she was illegitimate, so no fathers name is given on the marriage record. I then looked for a marriage of a John ROGERS and a Mary SEARLE and found it in 1859. Anna Maria was born in 1859. John may or may not have been her father, if not he appears to have been a father figure in her life and stood by her mother, but he has certainly married at a seemingly young age. They went on to have further children. At least one child has an unusual name so I may be able follow her.
Thanks CT for your assistance - much appreciated Query? Can anyone advise if there is a site where one can access the 1842 Mining Commission reports for Cornwall that may have excerpts from the interviews with some of the children and young people who were working down the mines. I found a site for the Glasgow mines and was able to find interviews with some children from another family line. It provided some rare insight into the lives of children who worked in the mines before the change to protect the hours and conditions of women and children in the mining industry Carolbea
You are so right about Carol and I being in for an interesting time - especially once we begin looking at the PASCOE family. Just from what I have seen of the PASCOE's in Sithney there are a lot of them I will however finish sorting out the ROGERS before I try and sort the PASCOE's.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 29, 2011 3:51:30 GMT -5
Hi Raewyn - something for you to think about.
At some point you are going to get 'stuck' with one or more sections of the Rogers family and what often happens is that you will get 'bogged down' with it to the point of frustration. That then leads to blind determination which results in deeper frustration. And ultimately a decision is made that it is 'all too hard' for now and you walk away from it until one day something sparks your interest again.
I would recommend that you take the blinkers off and start looking around the World outside Rogers.
There is an obvious link with the Pascoe family and there may be even more than one so now is the time to start having a look at those and, perhaps, one or two other names that you have links with.
It just may be that the connections are a little closer than you think and by investigating these other families you might just find a few things that will help prevent a later brick wall!
Actually you are right. Grace and Daniel Williams have almost got me to the point of frustration. Their son Thomas Penberthy Williams has married either Ann Uren or Ann Berryman Faull (marriage is registered in the Helston R D Vol 5c Pg 299 in the Mar Qtr 1864). If it is Ann Berryman FAULL she is the daughter of Christopher FAULL and Jenifer BERRIMAN and she does tie in with my extended FAULL family. I tried googling the name, I thought with a middle name like Penberthy something may come up - it did but was not as I expected. A Thomas Penberthy Williams bn 1868 - 1912 came up (found a birth registration for him in 1867). I think, could be wrong, that he is a son of Thomas Penberthy and Ann. He has immigrated to the USA - Mogollan, New Mexico where he was a silver miner. He married Elizabeth Jane PASCOE (that surname again in1890 Helston R D and they had at least two children Emily Eveline and Thomas Edgar (Edgar); there may be another daughter Anna. It appears that Daniel Penberthy Williams married Eliza A EVA by 1866. There are no children with them in the census at this time and they seem to disappear after this. At this point as I am unable to find any more on this family I am going to switch to the PASCOE family. I intended sitting down the other day to look at it, but didn't quite get to it. Tomorrow is a new day and I will begin looking at the family in earnest
Oh boy. Just received via email this morning a nice BIG file on the Pascoe family from sometime in the late 1500's I think it was to the present day almost -176 pages. How much of it ties in with my our PASCOE line remains to be seen but on skimming through it I did see Sithney crop up in the place names.
And I just went on WorldConnect this morning - a site I use as a basis only for information and found Thomas Penberthy Williams there and can confirm he is a son of Thomas Penberthy Williams and Ann, so can at least add that in.
Although I kept to my word and have begun looking into the PASCOE family I have found a Thomas P Williams and family on the Census in 1871,1881,1891. And in one of them his mother in law Eliza UREN is with the family so now we know the surname of his wife. In the 1881 Census Thomas P Williams Snr is listed as a Gold Miner abroad - his wife was head of the household.
Thanks for the reminder to go carefully. I have just rechecked FreeBMD and the marriage for Thomas Penberthy WILLIAMS in 1864 actually has his full name - I just wanted to be sure I had the right one. The birth of son Thomas Penberthy in 1867 and his subsequent marriage also had his full name.
Hi, I am new to this site, and was thrilled to see all the comments about my Rogers' family from Crowan! I was just playing round on the internet, because my husband was watching cricket, and voila! Cricket does have some good points after all. The child born in 1850, in NZ, was a male: I have a name for him - James John, and he was born on 3 March 1850, and died on 4th March 1850. This was on the family tree when I came into possession of it. I am assuming it is all on record at Puke Ariki Museum. I had heard of that Henry Rogers, but didn't see how he would tie in with a family of miners. The Henry that concerns me is the son of John and Mary. There doesn't seem to be any records of what happened to him or where he went after they got to NZ. And if anyone out there knew where Josiah grew up and with whom, after his mother was killed, I would be grateful! Daisygrey