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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2011 23:40:51 GMT -5
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I said that I had a curly one and here it is.
It starts with the family of William Burt Glasson and his wife Elizabeth nee Hill living at Parade Street in Penzance in the 1841 census. In particular the son William, whose age was given as 14 years and therefore born around 1827.
IGI has the baptism of William Henry Glasson on the 21 Feb 1827 to William and Elizabeth at Penzance.
In the 1851 census the only William Henry I can find that matches is living at Abbey Place in Madron, a lodger, traveller, aged 24, and more importantly married.
He is not then found again until 1881 when he turns up in the Union Workhouse at St Clement, a 55 year old tailor - just like his father, and from Penzance - not married however.
Then in 1891 and 1901 he appears at St Clement with his wife Nancy, both times a tailor and both times from Penzance - Nancy from Truro incidentally.
So the easy option would be to find a marriage between 1881 and 1891 between a Nancy and William Henry or perhaps just William. Well I have not found it.
What I have found is a marriage in 1849 between William Glasson and Ann Brokenshire - William is a tailor and so is his father William. Ann is the daughter of Edward, a mariner. William was 23 and Ann 19.
So that is why he is said to be married in 1851 - if he is the right one because in the 1851 census it is the only time that he is said to be from other than Penzance - in this one - Truro (I think).
So where is Ann between the marriage and 1891, where was William between 1851 and 1881, is Ann Brokenshire the same person as Nancy?
Now there is a mystery for you.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 21, 2011 4:47:02 GMT -5
Looks like I have a bit of work to do on this one!  For the time being I will offer a couple of comments:- Ann and Nancy are interchangeable so you may have the same person involved. IGI shows William Glasson son of Robert Glasson and Joan Burt 'born' 18th August 1799 at Kenwyn and I must presume this is 'William Burt Glasson'. This entry does not appear in the Kenwyn Parish Register - at least not in 1799 - and it is in fact a Member Submitted entry from a member of the LDS. The Film Number it comes from is 537383 and it has the following 'interesting' title:- Sealings for the dead, couples and children (includes some living spouses and children) 1943-1970; heir indexes, 1943-1965While the name suggests an almost certain link to Robert and Joan I would treat the information regarding his birth as suspect given the source.  CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 21, 2011 5:17:58 GMT -5
Grrrr  - It would appear that we already have a lesson on IGI for our new member Briar! There is no such record - in fact there is no baptism at all recorded for February 21st, 1827 in the Penzance Parish Register! This information (at a guess) relates to the following entry in the Madron Parish Register:- EDWIN son of William (tailor) and Elizabeth Glasson of Penzance baptised 1st February 1828 at Madron This entry appears on the right page of the register and is the fifth entry down the page. The left hand page has the year 1827 written at the top with the last entry on the page dated 13th January 1828. The year written at the top of the right page is 1828 however there is a mark that could almost give the impression that the year was 1827. The entry is very clearly 1st February with the previous entry being 27th January. William Henry Glasson is acctually baptised at Penzance 8th January 1832 along with his brother Rowland Hill Glasson. There is no birthdate recorded. But there are two things that make life a little interesting here. The first six children I can find in the PRs are:- Edwin bp. 1st February 1828 Madron Edwin bp. 24th August 1830 Penzance William Henry bp. 8th January 1832 Penzance Rowland Hill bp. 8th January 1832 Penzance Emily bp. 18th August 1833 Penzance Louisa Jane bp. 29th November 1835 Penzance No burial can be found for the first Edwin and the 1841 Census shows Will(iam Henry) GLAPON as age 14. This then suggests that 1. the baptism for the first Edwin is an error and should be for William Henry and 2. that William Henry was therefore baptised twice!  No, can't be .... that is not allowed to happen!  ;D CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 21, 2011 5:50:11 GMT -5
I need to refer back to one of my opening comments:- That comment is quite correct BUT ... There is a record of baptism (along with a birth date) in the Penzance Independent Chapel Register (Lower Meeting House)!!! Penzance Independent Lower Meeting House 21st February 1827 William Henry son of William (tailor) and Elizabeth Glasson baptised (born at Penzance 1st January) And that now raises more questions! Was William Henry baptised twice .... or three times? If he was baptised only twice then we have either two sons named Edwin or, given no burial can be found yet for the first, we have Edwin also baptised twice. Confusin' ain't it?  CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 21, 2011 7:19:51 GMT -5
This marriage took place in the Penzance R.D. from the looks of things but I presume must have been Registry Office or a Chapel. Lannanta - can you confirm the name of Ann's father please? I cannot find an Edward Brokenshire and I can find no record of an Ann Brokenshire born around 1830 with father named Edward. I can, however, find a baptism (IGI) for:- Ann daughter of Nicholas and Jane Brokenshire 25th August 1830 Scilly Islands Parish Nicholas Brokenshire was a Coast Guard and in 1841 he and his family were still living on St Mary's, IOS. Hmm - maybe that won't do. In 1851 Nicholas was a superannuated Coast Guard living at Penryn with wife Jane and three of his children including Ann who is now 20 and says she is unmarried. In 1861 and 1871 Ann is a schoolmistress and still living at home with her parents at Penryn, stating both times she is unmarried. The whole family seems to disappear after 1871 and there is no death for Nicholas at any time in FreeBMD. In 1871 he was in his 80s so I am not sure that he would have been taking an extended overseas holiday! As you say - William is in the Workhouse in 1881 and then he turns up with wife Nancy at St Clement in 1891. There seems to be a lot that is not quite right with all of this. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 21, 2011 7:22:02 GMT -5
Well .... a lot of that last lot has proved a waste of time! Nancy daughter of Edward and Nancy BROKENSHA baptised 18th November 1831 St Clement At least I have found the bride!! And now:- 1841 Census Madron Fanny THOMAS, 50 Nancy BROKANSHE, 11 Looks like this is probably Coinage Hall Street, Penzance is that appears to be the last address noted about 2 pages before this family! None of this has helped me find her in 1851 or 1861 but at least I have found her. CT |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2011 13:21:52 GMT -5
Morning CT
You have been busy while I have been asleep ;D
It is certainly looking like Ann was more commonly known as Nancy in this case and she seems to be William's wife all the way through.
It sort of looks like that they got married, went away and did not come back until 1881 or so, with William being the advance party so to speak. The description of 1851 of being a traveller might actually mean that and not the more modern meaning of a salesman?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 21, 2011 22:15:23 GMT -5
If William was the 'advance party' then why can we (apparently) find him in 1851 and not Ann/Nancy? And then William comes back, seemingly without his wife, and finds himself in the Workhouse very promptly! There is more to this than meets the eye methinks! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2011 22:46:32 GMT -5
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No easy answer me old china. Being recorded as a traveller in the 1851 census could suggest that, wherever he is hiding from 1861 to 1871, his wife Nancy went there, or thereabouts prior to the 1851 census. William was in Penzance for a quick visit in 1851 which is why he is listed as a lodger.
I have had another look today and cannot find her in 1851. I looked to see where any of William's siblings headed off to and I did note that one of them, Rowland and family, went to Tavistock in Devon.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 22, 2011 4:20:14 GMT -5
Lannanta - I am reasonably sure that I have checked each Census without limiting 'current location' so I should have expected to find William and/or Nancy somewhere in all those years. Nothing is showing up in the Passenger Lists and also nothing in the UK Incoming Passenger Lists. I reckon big hindrance here is that (or so it appears) there were no children involved - at least none that survived long enough to be of any help.  Might have to consider doing a bit of work on the Brokensha(ire) family to see if Nancy can be found anywhere with siblings or other relatives. CT |
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Post by londoner on Mar 22, 2011 6:39:49 GMT -5
Have a look at the Criminal registers on A* - I think your William Henry was a repeat offender, certainly appears in 1844 & 1845 & 1854 when he was sentenced to 4 years.
from the West Briton 4 Jul 1845
WILLIAM HENRY GLASSON, 18, was charged with stealing two girth ropes and other rope, from SAMUEL CHIRGWIN, of Newlyn, in the parish of Paul. Guilty - Twelve Months' Hard Labour.
and 5 Jul 1844:
W.H. GLASSON, 18, was found guilty of stealing five bells, and sundry brass knobs and spills, the property of RICHARD OULSON; four months' hard labour, three weeks solitary
However it is also possible that this was William Henry son of Elias Glasson (of Newlyn and later St Just) who died in Cumberland in 1872. - ah No it couldn't he was b in 1848! But there was another b 1828 how confusing!
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Post by londoner on Mar 22, 2011 6:52:23 GMT -5
In case anyone hasn't seen it there is a link to the West Briton transcriptions on the Cornwall opc home page. Well worth trawling through.
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Post by londoner on Mar 22, 2011 8:28:48 GMT -5
have you found William's brother Edwin after 1861? I notice that he married Jane in 1856, had 5 children between then and 1865 but I cant find him after that, although Jane describes herself as married in 1871 & 81 but widow in 1891.
Perhaps the brothers went off together somewhere?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 22, 2011 10:02:19 GMT -5
Some interesting additions.  I have been too busy chasing William all over the place to search for Edwin yet!  But it is certainly a good suggestion. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2012 20:01:48 GMT -5
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Do you have a copy of the parish entry for April 1782 at Kenwyn - marriage of Robert Glasson and Joan Burt? I am still no closer to working out whether or not Robert was from Camborne or Gwinear
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- It would appear that we already have a lesson on IGI for our new member Briar!
;D
