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Post by rowen on Oct 27, 2007 7:29:47 GMT -5
trencrom I agree with you about the census taker. I have been thru ALL of the St. Stephens parishes and found nothing on William Osborn(e) Rowe. I am not going to go further with that for now. I will go back to it if I can find nothing else from the certificates, but really do think it was incorrect (for whatever reason). And hopefully the marriage and birth certificates I ordered on Mary Ann Northey will breach this particular brick wall. Thanks rowen
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 28, 2007 11:10:07 GMT -5
Please forgive me - I realised just after I posted that note that there was a bit of a 'tease' there but, by then, it was too late. Who says I have a life! (Only joking ;D) I do this because I love it and also because I have very much to learn about connections to my own lineage. I have been to Cornwall, the US, New Zealand, Chile in search of family and, along the way, I have learnt many things about this 'little game we play'. I have found pitfalls and errors and all sorts of things so, when I am asked about a lot of this stuff I try to ensure that others 'heed my warning' (so to speak). I still make errors that require correction but I do like to point people in the right direction if I am unable to actually solve a problem or provide accurate information myself. If this is something you can afford to do then all is well and good - and you will, obviously, have primary evidence for your files. However - I also try to gather as much information as possible to help people avoid spending money on certificates that turn out to be erroneous to 'their quest'. If there is anything I can do to help you 'weed out' possibly unrequired expenditure on certificates then please let me know and I will, as usual, do my best. Should you end up with all that you have suggested then I would appreciate some of the details which might help me with some other problems. If the Jane Northey/Matthew Trewella item 'rears its head' I would surely love the information but I don't know that it will. I have the Marriage Certificate but the two 'probable' children are from the St Catherine's House Index and based on probability having no other possible known parents to be involved. Best have a look at some more queries now and see if I can find some answers or comment. BTW - It seems we are at a stand off. You have taken no offence. I have taken no offence. We must be both 'inoffensive'. ;D
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Post by rowen on Nov 2, 2007 17:59:12 GMT -5
"BTW - It seems we are at a stand off. You have taken no offence. I have taken no offence. We must be both 'inoffensive'." Serious LOL. Been called many things in my life, but "inoffensive" has never been one of them. And I can think of no better place to "stand off" than with you, a person who devotes so much time and energy trying to help so many strangers find so many long gone people.... Thank you. Back to business...I will post the certificates on Mary Ann Northey and James Rowe as soon as they get here and we will carry on with finding Mary Ann's people (my great great grandmother).
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 3, 2007 11:23:09 GMT -5
You are most welcome and I appreciate your comments immensely - thankyou. But I have stated before that I do this because I really enjoy it and helping people like yourself is another way of me being helped. Look forward to the information from those Certificates and I will certainly do my very best to help you further. Ian
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Post by rowen on Nov 8, 2007 19:50:20 GMT -5
Ok. Brick Wall Part 2
Mary Ann Northey chr.2SEPT1838 married St. Blazey 1JULY1858 to James Rowe Father Groom-William Osborne Rowe, Miner; Father Bride-John Northey, Miner Witnesses: William Osborne Rowe and Samuel Northey Married in the Parish Church. Residence at time of marriage for both: St. Blazey.
Died 3DEC1864 St. Blazey (Sub-District of Fowey) at 26 of acute peridonitis, wife of James Rowe, Copper Miner. In Attendance William Osborne Rowe. (NOTE: My great-grandfather Thomas Rowe was born Nov. 1864.)
Looking around I find John Northey Agnes (Agness) Cox married 9NOV1822 St. Austell Parish Church (Witnesses Samuel Cox and John Northey)
The ONLY place and time I find them is: 1841 Census: St. Austell-Tregrehan Mills
John Northey 40 Copper Miner Agness 35 Samuel Northey 15 4JAN1824 William Northey 15 19DEC1824 Betsy (Elizabeth) Cox Northey 12 6DEC1829 Mary Ann Northey b. 26SEPT1831 d. ______ Jane Cox Northey 7 chr.5JAN1834 Maryann Northey chr. 5JAN1834 d.________ Mary Ann Northey 2 chr 2SEPT1838 *****mine Richard 10 mos. 9AUG1840
I have added the two other Mary Ann's from another source. ALSO from another source: Henry John Northey chr. 22MAY1842 George Northey chr. 1 SEPT1844 Adelina Anna Maria Northey chr. 24JUL1846
ALL born/chr. in St. Austell
Revised post 11/9/07
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Post by trencrom on Nov 9, 2007 3:50:11 GMT -5
Rowen, firstly, do not get discouraged. You are actually making very good progress. Now that we know that Mary Ann's father was a John we can concentrate on him and his wife. These questions should help in thr next part of your research. 1. Where was his (John's) wedding? Get the PR for the same and see who the witnesses are. They are often (though not always) other relations. 2. I take it from what you have posted that you could only find John and his family in the 1841. But Samuel was a witness to thr wedding in 1858 so he must be in the 1851 somewhere. Search for him rather than for John if you have had no luck with the latter. 3. Where were Maryann and the other younger children of John and Agnes christened? check that PR for any later children post-1841. 4. Remember that in the 1841 census, ages were rounded down so John could have ben aged between 40 and 44 and Agnes 35 and 39. Check IGI for all christenings that match these names and age ranges. 5. If the paremts died after 1841 and before 1851, their deaths should appear in both PR and civil reg records. check for these, depending in part on what the answers are to the previous questions. 6. Also remember to check the index for Cornwall probates for the period pre-1858 in case John in particular died in that time and perhaps left a will.
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Post by rowen on Nov 9, 2007 20:14:42 GMT -5
Trencrom, you are right of course. I have made amazing progress given the short time I have been at this. I am finding that there is always another corner to get around tho. Last night after my pout, I went on Rootsweb and fell over a wealth of information on my Northeys. I emailed the contact and found a cousin. All descendants of William Northey, Mary Ann's older brother. I also know now that one of the reasons I have been having such a problem with Maryann is that she was the third Mary Ann born to this family. Obviously the other two did not survive and their dates were part of the problems I kept running into.
John and Agnes Northey had three more children after the Richard listed above. Henry John 11May1842; George 1Sept1844 and Adelina Anna Maria 24Jul1846 (they seem to have gotten really creative at the end...). Total of 11.
All of the children were born in St. Austell. John and Agnes were married in the Parish Church in St. Austell (Witnesses John Northey and Samuel Cox), so they were there in St. Austell from at least 1822 to 1846. Why they left and where they went is my next step. John may have died and Agnes took them all back to Devon. My new cousin tells me that she has not gotten behind John either, but that Agnes came from Tavistock, Devon, b.1802. She also indicates that Agnes survived at least until 1891. I don't think John did. So I will find her. And John.
One other breakthru I would like to share, although it doesn't really apply to this board, is that I have finally traced my mother's maternal side back to 1505 in Gravesend, Kent (wife from Canterbury). Christopher Reynolds and Elizabeth Matthews Shard Reynolds came from Gravesend to Isle of Wight, VA in the mid 1600's, descendants migrating slowly across Virginia to Kentucky by the mid 1700's.
So, I am now "officially" double British and couldn't be happier!!
Thanks for your encouragement. I hope I can help someone in the future as much as you all have helped me. (and hopefully will continue to help me....there is still the major problem of William Osborne Rowe, base child of Sarah or Mary....) Rowen
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 10, 2007 13:31:31 GMT -5
My friend (I believe I can say this on behalf of all here) I am very happy to see the progress you have made and I will, of course, help further as best I can.
And I am sure Trencrom will be in agreeance.
I need to come back and review all of this information after I have solved a few other problems (outside genealogy) and had some sleep.
Will try and catch up on notes over the next few days while I am sorting the other stuff out and I look forward to further news.
Ian
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Post by rowen on Nov 11, 2007 7:19:21 GMT -5
Need instructions on board protocol please. Do I continue with this thread back into another generation or should I start a new thread?
Census info courtesy of my new Cousin: I found John and Agnes Northy in 1851 Census in Charlestown (it broke off from St. Austell in 1847) with six of the children including my Mary Ann, age 12, copper ore dresser.
Found Agness as Head in Calstock in 1861 Census as a houskeeper (says in Tavistock-Devon) with only Richard, George and Adlina. (Richard and George listed as copper miners and Adlina as copper dresser).
Agnes is supposed to be in St. Stephens Census as a visitor in 1871 but I haven't found that one yet.
I have also now found a John Northey died 5 Feb 1860 in Charlestown - working on that now, he may have been originally from St. Blazey. Have emailed the OPC to see if she has any other info.
At least one Northey son stayed in England and I hope I will hear from that descendant Cousin. Some immigrated to Pennsylvania to the coal mines (my new Cousin 's line).
It is GOOD to find Cousins !!!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 11, 2007 11:30:47 GMT -5
At this point in time it is probably best to move your query to the section 'Kerrier et al' where we try to deal with information that may be not specific to West Penwith. Zenobia may assist with this but I would suggest you start moving to there so as to not clutter up the 'Queries' section. We will all find you. And I am very happy that you are making good progress. Will try to catch up on all the latest properly as I get the chance.
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Post by trencrom on Nov 11, 2007 21:55:26 GMT -5
Rowen, firstly congrats on the great progrees you have made with your Kent family. A few quick points on your latest with this line....
1. After 1858 probate was dealt with in a central national registry so check that for any will for John circa 1860. 2. The 1851 census should give you exact ages and birthplaces for both John and Agnes which should help you then identify christenings for them. Check the details of these against the 1861-71-81 (if applicable) for Agnes to see if they are consistent for her. 3. If a John Northey witnessed the marriage of John and Agnes in 1822 then in all probability this man was a relative --possibly cousin, uncle or even father of the groom.
Trencrom
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 12, 2007 10:07:41 GMT -5
Have noted latest and must thank Trencrom once again for assistance. Will try to keep up with things here but have much more to do over the next couple of weeks. My intention is to try and check things at sometime each day so do not despair.
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