John marries Jane Baragwanath's of Zennor

[snydly]

I am having trouble finding two key records of John and Jane Baragwanaths relationship. I cannot find a documented marriage in the OPC records dating around 1877 +- 2 years. I am also having trouble finding John's birth in Zennor 1855 +- 3 years as well.

The information I have is as follow's:

Children from Relationship:

Parish: ZENNOR
Date: 31-Aug 1879
Name: Jane BARAGWANATH
Sex: Female
Father: John
Mother: Jane
Residence: TREGARTHEN
Father's rank/profession: BUTCHER
Register notes: 14 APR 1879
Transcriber Notes:
Transcriber: Diane Donohue


Parish: ZENNOR
Date: 03-Apr 1881
Name: John BARAGWANATH
Sex: Male
Father: John
Mother: Jane
Residence: TREGERTHEN
Father's rank/profession: LABOURER
Register notes: 16 JAN 1881
Transcriber Notes:
Transcriber: Diane Donohue


Parish: ZENNOR
Date: 13-Aug 1882
Name: Thomas BARAGWANATH
Sex:
Father: John
Mother: Jane
Residence: TREGARTHEN
Father's rank/profession: LABOURER
Register notes: 4 JUN 1882
Transcriber Notes:
Transcriber: Diane Donohue


Parish: ZENNOR
Date: 07-Sep 1884
Name: Thomas BARAGWANATH
Sex:
Father: John
Mother: Jane
Residence: TREGURTHEN
Father's rank/profession: MINER
Register notes: 2 JUL 1884
Transcriber Notes:
Transcriber: Diane Donohue

Deaths:

Parish: Zennor
Date: 31-Mar 1884
Name: Thomas BARAGWANATH
Age: 1
Residence: Tremedon
Register notes:
Transcriber Notes:
Transcriber: Diane Donohue

Parish: Zennor
Date: 26-Oct 1884
Name: Thomas BARAGWANATH
Age: 3mon
Residence: Tregerthen
Register notes:
Transcriber Notes:
Transcriber: Diane Donohue

Parish: Zennor
Date: 13-Mar 1887
Name: Jane BARAGWANATH
Age: 33
Residence: Tremender
Register notes:
Transcriber Notes:
Transcriber: Diane Donohue

Parish: Zennor
Date: 28-Feb 1900
Name: John BARAGWANATH
Age: 41
Residence: Tregurthen
Register notes:
Transcriber Notes:
Transcriber: Diane Donohue

1891 Census:

14 Tregarthen, Zennor Cornwall

John Baragwanath 35
John Baragwanath 10
Jane Baragwanath 11

1871 Census:

27 Tregarthen, Zennor Cornwall

William Baragwanath 50
Nanny Baragwanath 45
Nancy Baragwanath 22
Jane Baragwanath 20
Prudence Baragwanath 18
John Baragwanath 16

John's Parents are:
Father: William Baragwanath 1821-
Mother: Nanny Michell 1826-1876

1861 Census for Zennor, Cornwall
Name: William Baragwanath
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Nanny Baragwanath
Gender: Male
Where born: Towednack, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Zennor
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Registration district: Penzance
Sub-registration district: St Ives
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 29
Household Members: Name Age

29,Tregurthen,1,William Baragwanath,Head,M,40,,Butcher,Towednack Cornwall,,
,,,Nanny Baragwanath,Wife,M,,34,,Zennor Cornwall,,
,,,Nanny Baragwanath,Dau,,,12,Scholar,Zennor Cornwall,,
,,,Jane Baragwanath,Dau,,,10,Scholar,Zennor Cornwall,,
,,,Prudence Baragwanath,Dau,,,8,Scholar,Zennor Cornwall,,
,,,John Baragwanath,Son,,6,,Scholar,Zennor Cornwall,,


Any help is appreciated.

[Cornish Terrier]

Snydly - the marriage appears in FreeBMD.

Marriages Jun 1879
John Baragwanath
Jane Matthews
Volume 5c Page 371

The other couple on this page were Samuel Henry Williams and Belinda Cornish.

From the 1881 Census Samuel Williams was born at Redruth and Belinda at Perranuthnoe but they were living at Marazion at that time.

I would think these marriages were either Registry Office or one of the Chapels which is why you have not found it in the OPC records.

I have also not located the baptism for John Baragwanath.

CT

[snydly]

Thanks for that CT ...

Parish: ZENNOR
Date: 06-Jan 1856
Name: Jane MATTHEWS
Sex:
Father: Thomas
Mother: Mary Ann
Residence: TREWEY
Father's rank/profession: LABOURER
Register notes:
Transcriber Notes:
Transcriber: Diane Donohue

This is the best fit for a marriage for them I think.

Parish or Registration District: Penzance St Marys
Date: 19-Sep 1847
GROOM: Thomas MATTHEWS
Groom's age: FULL
Groom's condition: BACH
Groom's rank/profession: CORDWAINER
Groom's residence: PENZANCE
Father: GEORGE MATTHEWS
Father's rank/profession: MARINER
BRIDE: Mary Ann YOULTON
Bride's age: FULL
Bride's condition: SPINST
Bride's rank/profession:
Bride's residence: PENZANCE
Father: WILLIAM YOULTON
Father's rank/profession: CARPENTER
Banns(B) or Licence(L): BANNS
Groom Signed(S) or Marked(M): S
Bride Signed(S) or Marked(M): S
Witness 1: MARGARET OSBORNE
Witness 2: EDWD GIDDY TREMBATH
Register notes:
Transcriber Notes:
Transcriber: Gewn Attridge


This Birth seems the closest fit, and the marriage poped up in my Ancestry page with the same information as your entry.

Marriages Jun 1879
John Baragwanath
Jane Matthews
Volume 5c Page 371

[Cornish Terrier]

I don't think I would be diving in the deep end and claiming that marriage just yet!

In fact I doubt if I would seriously consider claiming that particular marriage at all in this scenario.

Firstly it is at Penzance St Mary and Penzance is the 'home Parish' for both parties.

And it may be the only one that 'looks' right from the OPC site but you must remember that the OPC records are an ongoing project and it is far from complete!

There are a couple of things you should do before going any further.

1. - look for the family in the 1861 Census given you now have a likely baptism for Jane Matthews
2. - check FreeBMD for other possible marriages

If you check the 1861 Census you will find the following:-

Tremeadow, Zennor
Thomas MATTHEWS, head, mar, 33, agricultural labourer, Zennor
Marry A do., wife, mar, 29, labourer's wife, Zennor
Mary do., daur, 7, scholar, Zennor
Jane do., daur, 6, scholar, Zennor
Thomas do., son, 4, scholar, Zennor
John do., son, 3, Zennor
Matthew do., son, 2, Zennor
William do., son, 7mths, Zennor

This can tell you quite a bit if you have a good read.

Firstly - Thomas and Mary Ann as well as all their children were born in Zennor so why would the marriage have occurred at Penzance St Mary?

Secondly - Mary Ann was age 29 in 1861 which means she would have been 17 at the time of the Marriage you have presented. Possible and certainly not illegal but ........................

Thirdly - Thomas and Mary Ann (1861 Census) have a constant 'flow' of children from about 1853 or 1854 onwards which suggests a marriage around 1852 or 1853.

And - the first child here is Mary who is probably named after her mother or, possibly, grandmother.

So, this certainly appears to be the family of the Jane Matthews who married John Baragwanath which means we now have information about her parents.

Now let's take a look at FreeBMD and see what we can find!

In the first place there is another marriage that you might have considered - even though it is also incorrect.

Thomas Mathews married Mary Ann Rowe 18th February 1849 at Paul (Also on the OPC site)

But what I have just found in the FreeBMD records is the one I think you should probably be looking at:-

Marriages Dec 1853
Penzance R.D. Vol 5c Page 638
Thomas MATTHEWS
Mary Ann BOASE

The high page number tells me that this is probably a Chapel marriage which is why you could not find it.

Okay then - from the 1861 Census we have a Thomas Matthews born at Zennor around about 1827 or 1828 and a Mary Ann Boase also born at Zennor around 1832 or 1833.

I turn my attention next to some Zennor baptismal records to see what I can find.

How about this:-

Thomas son of John (farmer) and Cordelia Matthews of Tremedar baptised 13th May 1827 Zennor

(Thomas and Mary Ann were at Tremeadow(Tremedar) in 1861)

Marianne (Mary Ann) daughter of Matthew (miller) and Biddy (Bridget) Boase of Church Town baptised 13th May 1832 Zennor

Don't know about you but I reckon that looks like the parents of Jane Matthews and, therefore, the probably 'outlaws' of John Baragwanath!

All the best,

CT