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Post by sue on Feb 13, 2011 9:43:32 GMT -5
The earliest Jacob Curnow I had for the Curnow family in the Towednack surrounds area was the son named in the will of Michael 1 of Towednack. That will of Michael Curnow written 30 April 1716, naming wife Margery; son Michael, daughter Jane, daughter Margery, son Jacob, son Hanniball, son William, son Thomas, brother Robert. Jacob being bptzd Towednack 6 Jan 1701. I would like to come back to this Jacob later.  I now see a Jacob Curnow marriage @ Phillack to Katherine Gartrell 29 Dec 1705, Jacob being "of St Ives". The only children I can find at present bptzd to Jacob & Katherine are Katherine 13 Aug 1713 @ Phillack, buried 16 Aug 1713; and Jacob 2 Jan 1716 @ Phillack "father deceased". I believe widowed Katherine may have remarried at St Ives  as widowed Mrs Cath Curnow to widower Mr John Hichens 5 Jan 1720, and be buried as widowed Mrs Catherine Hichens 26 Feb 1754 St Ives. John Hichens pos a mariner; I don't know if they had children; there is a Capt John Hichens buried at St Ives 27 Nov 1784 age 61 who might be their son... (And an unseen will for John Hichens of St Ives proved 22 Jul 1742......) Back to 1716 and the deceased father Jacob Curnow of the baptism @ Phillack: this would correspond with the will listed in CRO index AP/C/2804 of Jacob Curnow mariner of St Ives 1716. Has anyone seen this will? And is there any indication that this Jacob Curnow emanates from the Curnows @ Towednack?  Sue |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 13, 2011 13:03:00 GMT -5
Sue - no luck with either of those Wills I am afraid.  But I do show in my database that the widowed Catherine married John Hichens who was indeed a sailor. As far as I was able to work out (quite some time back!) John Hichens was baptised at St Ives 5th May 1674 son of John Hichens and Elizabeth (nee Pollard). He was first married to Mary Thomas at St Ives 28th August 1703 and had eleven children of whom the last was Christopher who was baptised and buried in 1718. I have not pursued the Hichens family any further as yet. Jacob Curnow is one of a number of Curnows who are (or have been) difficult to place. As of 1997 I have Jacob as a son of Thomas Curnow and Jone Painter. Best I can offer for now.  CT |
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Post by sue on Feb 13, 2011 14:35:02 GMT -5
Well, it's reassuring that you have the widowed Catherine remarried to John Hichen anyway. And that on this occasion I haven't missed anything blindingly obvious about Jacob! I'm guessing the placement to parents Thomas C & Joan Painter is linked to their son Richard naming a child Jacob. Anyway, for some reason I started looking at Jacobs, perhaps cos there aren't many of them ;D, & I was doing swimmingly.... till I looked Really Closely in the last day or two..... Putting that earliest Jacob the mariner of St Ives to one side, the next Jacob seems to be Jacob bptzd to Michael Curnow 1 & Margery Rosewall @ Towednack 6 Jan 1701, named in father Michael Curnow's 1716 will. I would be minded to bury him at Towednack 16 Sep 1741, with no children or wife found by me. I have no other Jacob to bury, except Jacob (no. 3) bptzd 1716 Phillack. (Richard Curnow & Blanch Stevens' son Jacob (no. 4?) born in 1720s going on to marry x2 & have many children; and what I believe to be Jacob no. 5 bptzd over @ Phillack 30 Sep 1735 to John Curnow/Sarah Weymouth seeming to be buried Phillack 14 Feb 1766 unmarried.) A couple, no, 3 things niggling me. Primarily: just 4 days after this burial, a Jacob Curnow (no.6) is baptized at Towednack to Thomas & Martha Curnow 20 Sep 1741. I understand these parents to both descend from Thomas Curnow & Joan Martin, with therefore only fairly distant links to the children of Michael Curnow & Margery Rosewall, where Jacob no. 2 belongs. But perhaps they just liked the name Jacob - or indeed, liked the Jacob distant cousin who had just died age 40. The other 2 niggles are: - CRO has a Will, admon dated 11 May 1849 for Jacob Curnow of St Ives that I can't presently find a home for.
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- CRO has a Will, admon dated 17 May 1762 for a Jacob Curnow, mariner of Towednack, that I haven't a home for - although it now occurs to me that as the Jacob Curnow who died 1716 was a mariner, and his widow married another mariner who would have brought up infant son Jacob bptzd Phillack 2 Jan 1716 in a seafaring household (if he didn't die as a child), the 1762 Will admon may be that of the Jacob bptzd 1716 in Phillack brought up in St Ives.....
I'm wishing I hadn't started looking at Jacobs....  Sue |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 13, 2011 22:35:43 GMT -5
It's a dirty job .... but somebody's gotta do it! ;D I cannot guarantee that I have every Jacob Curnow in my database but I do have quite a number. And with origins from Towednack to Mawgan at least it is difficult to say whether there is any real link or if it is just 'one of those names' that gets attracted to a particular surname. Of the Jacob Curnow burials in the OPC records I currently have only one that I have not placed and that is at St Ives 11th January 1794. With no other details available it will be a process of elimination to identify him I think. But I currently have five Jacobs still 'above ground'. Like you, I have the son of Michael buried at Towednack in 1741. I would think this is probably the Jacob baptised 23rd November 1766 at St Ives son of Peter and Thomasin. In the 1841 Census there is a Jacob Curnow age 75 living at Ayr Lane. I can find no burial for him but FreeBMD shows the death of a Jacob Curnow in the Penzance R.D. September Qtr 1847. My problem here is that Jacob living with the family of an Elizabeth Richards. I believe this to be Elizabeth HOLLOW who married Sampson Richards at St Ives in 1824 but I can find no immediate connection to Jacob. I think this is problem the man of your Admon. but I am a little concerned that no baptism appears to be recorded. Jacob married Jane Stevens at Gulval in 1805 and I have only ever found two children (both sons) for him. Jane is probably the Jane Curnow buried 23rd August 1831 at St Ives age 72. Agreed - there appears to be no other Jacob left and it certainly makes sense. Be nice to get a hold of those documents though just to be sure. CT |
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Post by sue on Feb 14, 2011 5:55:19 GMT -5
 Oops! Seem to be having a problem with my centuries recently! This would be what I had intended to type Regarding the 1794 burial, I have pencilled this in for now for Jacob born 1720s son of Richard/Blanch as a good fit..... but I have more work to do. And the 75+ year old Jacob in 1841.... I would be minded he might be Jacob bptzd to Peter/Thomasin St Ives 23 Nov 1766....not perfect I know. He could simply be a lodger. However I note that Jacob's brother Samuel had 2 children who married Richards; Rebecca m Edward Richards 30 Sep 1843 St Ives ( & was witness at Ann Richards' 1842 marriage) & Peter apparently m an Anne Richards 13 Oct 1847 Penzance.... I have no idea if Edward Richards Snr, father of Rebecca's husband, is closely related to Sampson Richards, deceased 1838 husband of Elizabeth @ Ayr Lane in 1841. As I say, I think I must away and do some more work on these Jacobs! Sue
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 14, 2011 7:17:49 GMT -5
Don't worry - I said this:- And I reckon I was more concerned tha I could not find a BURIAL! 1794 burial - yes, that would very likely be the man you suggest. But 1749 (which is in Kathie's St Ives part 3 Index) is a little spanner in the works. Here is something for you to think about!  We have already suggested that the 1762 Admon. (mariner of Towednack) is the Jacob baptised 1716 to Jacob and Katherine. If that were the case then the 1749 Admon. really has us out on a limb with no branches to hang on to!  BUT - let's alter things around a little just to see how they might look. Let's say that this Jacob actually belongs to the Admon. of 1749 which would actually make a little more sense given most things to do with Jacob and Katherine have been at St Ives and Phillack. And then step back and look at the possibilities for the 1762 Admon. of Jacob Curnow, mariner of Towednack. Looked at like this I reckon we have a prime candidate which would very neatly take care of all our 'errant Jacob Curnows'! 20th September 1741 Towednack - JACOB son of Thomas and Martha! He would have been about 21 and might well have been Royal Navy or otherwise engaged in HM Service! That seems to make a lot more sense to me. CT |
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Post by sue on Feb 14, 2011 11:15:50 GMT -5
Yup, that set-up would Have Legs, I think they say... I was minded to give Thomas/Martha's Jacob a longer life & bury him much later, but other homes can be found for the burials... I am thinking wills now needing to be obtained, to firm things up a little. Sue |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 14, 2011 13:07:53 GMT -5
Sue - here is a little trivia from my database that might be of some help. I currently have 22 Jacob Curnows in my database. Of these there are 17 'plain' Jacobs, 1 Jacob Ernest and 4 Jacob Trythalls. From 1782 through1873 I have 11 Jacobs recorded and I have a death or burial record for every one of those except one. The one exception:- Jacob Curnow, miner of Harris's Mill married Eliza Jane Trewella 23rd December 1876 at Redruth I believe Jacob was born about 1855 son of William and Isabella (nee Kemp) Curnow who were married in 1842. William was born at Mawgan in Meneage about 1814. The only other thing I know is that Jacob died before the 1881 Census when Eliza was recorded as a widow. Now - if all the proposals from the previous couple of posts were to prove accurate then I believe I would have only one Jacob 'unburied'. That would be the son of Paul and Sarah Curnow who was baptised at Towednack in 1767. One thing to be wary of until I can find out some more. Earlier tonight I had a look at Ancestry to see what people had in their Public Trees about Jacob in the hope that some clues might be forthcoming. What I found was a number of trees showing that the son of Peter and Thomasin was married to ANN THOMAS. I have this Jacob married to Jane Stevens and I have never seen a reference to a marriage to Ann Thomas.  Will have a look around and see if anything else turns up. CT |
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Post by sue on Feb 14, 2011 16:02:03 GMT -5
Well now, I hadn't got as far as 1870s! (Just seen a Scotland marriage reference for 1840, hmm I hadn't looked THat Far!! ) And I haven't got them as sorted as you have, needless to say! I've messed up some of what I did last week on Jacobs, so shall need to take a deep breath & revisit - ho hum - but will probably do me some good as a sort of fresh look.... Anyway, yes, I recall seeing reference somewhere to someone marrying off a Jacob to an Ann Thomas, but I've made no note of it so it seems I gave it no credence i.e. there was no evidence at all given..... Will be most impressed if you find a source.... Sue |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 14, 2011 21:31:38 GMT -5
As if that is at all likely! Looks like one of those 'convenience' things to me as I can find nothing anywhere that might lend any support at all. There was a Richard Curnow married to an Ann Thomas though but that was at Towednack in 1735 and no immediate sign of a Jacob. CT |
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Post by sue on Jan 8, 2012 14:19:11 GMT -5
Whilst searching deep in FS for a difficult Curnow, I stumbled across the Jacob Curnow in Scotland I saw a year ago but had never pursued. Now, he married a Mary Ann Simpson in Scotland; 29 Jun 1840 Glasgow. (FS) There is a baptism of an Ann to a Jacob & Mary Ann Curnow in Garstang, Lancs 13 April 1845. Perhaps the same couple? There is also a baptism of an Elizabeth Carnow to a Jacob & Mary Ann Salisbury Wilts 21 April 1848. Same family??? Now, 1871 I believe there is a Jacob Curnow born c1807 in Shaftesbury RD Dorset. Death Sep Q 1876 age 69. Also a Jacob Curnow born c1843 in Shaftesbury Rd Dorset; in 1881 this 1843 chap a watchmaker born Ireland, now with a wife Emily, 7 daughters & a son Jacob Percival. Jacob 1843 still around in 1911; death 1824 Shaftesbury RD age 81. Now, a Jacob was baptized 2 Feb 1807 St Ives to Jacob & Jane Curnow, Jacob having married Jane Stevens at Gulval by licence 14 December 1805, as referred to in this thread a year ago. The only other child I can see for this 1806 Jacob Curnow~Jane Stevens couple is a Richard, 5 Feb 1810 St Ives, who I haven't found further sightings of yet. So would this 1807 Jacob Curnow maybe be going to Scotland, Ireland, Lancashire & who knows where else before re-appearing in England 1871 in Dorset?? Or am I being fanciful in tentatively joining up this sightings? Sue |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 9, 2012 4:43:07 GMT -5
Why didn't you call?? Database last updated 12th June 1998 shows Jacob Curnow son of Jacob and Jane (Stevens) 1807 St Ives married 1840 Glasgow to Mary Ann Simpson. (Source WJC) Further in this entry is the note that Jacob died in Kent in 1876. 1871 Census at Station Road Gillingham, Dorset Jacob Curnow age 64 born Cornwall St Ives - Superannuated Supervisor of Excise. With him is daughter Ann age 26 born Garstang, Lancs. and daughter Thomazine age 24 born Devizes, Wilts. I think that might answer your question.  PS - according to FamilySearch 'England Deaths and Burials 1538-1991' Jacob Curnow age 70 was buried in Dorset 23rd August 1876. (No mention of a place) CT |
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Post by sue on Jan 9, 2012 6:16:32 GMT -5
An Exciseman to complement the Customs men of that other Curnow family, Hannibal's lot! Excellent! I thank you. Jacob will I suspect have died in Gillingham Dorset, corresponding with death Shaftesbury RD Sep Q 1876 & burial Dorset 23 Aug 1876. I've more than once heard callers on the radio correcting a DJ's pronunciation of Gillingham, the small market town in Dorset, as opposed to Gillingham - pronounced Jillingham - in Kent, by the large Chatham Royal Navy dockyards on the Thames, a mere 150 miles away. I now have another Scottish question beginning to take shape...... ;D Sue |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 9, 2012 7:08:27 GMT -5
UH-OH!  |
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Post by petitpois on Feb 5, 2012 9:00:56 GMT -5
I'm interested in the discussion about Jacob Curnow's.
I seem to be able to trace our ancestry back to Jacob Curnow & Rachel Martins married in St Ives in 1757. Do you think that her husband was Jacob of Phillack (IGI born 1735), or does anyone have other information about him?
Your thoughts would be appreciated,
Di
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as widowed Mrs Cath Curnow to widower Mr John Hichens 5 Jan 1720, and be buried as widowed Mrs Catherine Hichens 26 Feb 1754 St Ives. John Hichens pos a mariner; I don't know if they had children; there is a Capt John Hichens buried at St Ives 27 Nov 1784 age 61 who might be their son... (And an unseen will for John Hichens of St Ives proved 22 Jul 1742......)
